| Author | Message | ||
| Agapetos Registered user Username: Agapetos Post Number: 1954 Registered: 10-2002  |
Could someone fill me in on the deal with EGW and bicycles? What did she say about them? Quotes? Was there anything about not riding your bike on the Sabbath? Thanks & blessings! Ramone | ||
| Raven Registered user Username: Raven Post Number: 1116 Registered: 7-2004  |
From what I recall, EGW didn't write much about bicycles - they were basically a new fad at the time and certainly not standard items for regular people. I don't think she addressed the issue of riding a bike on Sabbath, because she was pretty much against bikes period. She thought they were a frivolous waste of money. I always heard it explained that it was because bikes were so expensive back then, not that they aren't expensive now - but it's certainly much easier to find a reasonably priced bike now. So that's how SDA's explain today that it's ok to have a bike because EGW was only against spending a lot of money on them. The facts are, EGW was against any and all leisure activity any day of the week. | ||
| Skeeter Registered user Username: Skeeter Post Number: 625 Registered: 12-2007 |
Yes, she taught that instead of spending time playing sports, games, etc that children should be taught to work in the fields in the kitchen, etc.. which is all well and good to a point,,, but children are children and should be allowed time to run and play and just have fun also. Francie | ||
| Animal Registered user Username: Animal Post Number: 764 Registered: 7-2008  |
Ellen opposed fun. She even was against sex on the sabbath I bet..lol lol | ||
| Nowisee Registered user Username: Nowisee Post Number: 327 Registered: 5-2009 |
Yes, not one moment should be wasted!! (Esp. since the angels are writing down all our wasted moments to be used against us in the IJ or whatever they're calling it now!) Here's one quote from Testimonies, vol.8: "The exhibitions in the bicycle craze are an offense to God. His wrath is kindled against those who do such things." pg. 66 Did God really object to exercise, even if it was a 'craze' and send His wrath against cyclists? | ||
| Skeeter Registered user Username: Skeeter Post Number: 626 Registered: 12-2007 |
Animal, she was against sex anytime ! She said women should not excite the "animal passions" in their husbands as it would use up their "vital forces". LOL Notice she had 3 children,,, she musta stired up some "vital forces" some time or other... She also cirticised people who left their children in the care of others.... but she and her husband traveled the world (selling her books, etc) and left their children inthe care of others for VERY long periods of time. The woman was a hypocrite.(among other things) Francie | ||
| Agapetos Registered user Username: Agapetos Post Number: 1955 Registered: 10-2002 |
Thanks... any other quotes on bicycles? Also, could someone post a wider quote from the Testimonies vol.8? (I mean, more than just the sentence... just want to see a little wider context.) (By the way, when I ask for "context" on EGW, it's like asking for context on the Bible only working the opposite way: searching the context in the Bible only serves to bring more truth to light and intensify the Light, but searching the context of EGW serves to bring more damning evidence to light and intensify the error! We discovered this a year or two ago when an Adventist on here said we were taking EGW "out of context"... so we examined the context and it just made things worse for EGW!) | ||
| Dennis Registered user Username: Dennis Post Number: 1934 Registered: 4-2000  |
Animal, Interestingly, the Jewish Mishnah mandates sex on the Sabbath--part of its festivities. On the other hand, Seventh-day Adventists prefer the passage about not seeking their own pleasure on the Sabbath (smile). This has often brought disharmony in marriages where only one spouse is an Adventist. The non-Adventist, in the marriage relationship, quickly learns to dislike the legal Sabbath even more. He or she dreads the thought of yet another sexless day. Dennis Fischer | ||
| Animal Registered user Username: Animal Post Number: 765 Registered: 7-2008 |
Dennis... Id love the source for that mandate..lol lol lol I could really have some "fun" with that. Animal | ||
| Agapetos Registered user Username: Agapetos Post Number: 1956 Registered: 10-2002 |
C'mon, bicycles, boys, BICYCLES!! (lol) | ||
| Dennis Registered user Username: Dennis Post Number: 1935 Registered: 4-2000 |
Animal, Here is a link to answer your question: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090105114240AAiQ7G2 Dennis Fischer | ||
| Jonvil Registered user Username: Jonvil Post Number: 355 Registered: 4-2007 |
"In the night season I was in a dream or vision, which revealed some things in Battle Creek. My guide said, "Follow me" I was directly in Battle Creek; the streets were alive with bicycles ridden by our own people. There was a witness from heaven beholding our people indulging their desire for selfish gratification, and using the money in this way that should be invested in foreign missions to unfurl the banner of truth in the cities........ The Witness from heaven said, "I will turn my face from you for your pleasant picture and your selfish practices which are misrepresenting the religion of Jesus Christ, and preparing a people, through denying him in practice, to be ensnared by the deceptions of these last days." Letter 23c, July 20, 1894 (3SM 387) | ||
| Nowisee Registered user Username: Nowisee Post Number: 333 Registered: 5-2009 |
Wow, Jonvil! Great quote--What a ridiculous thing to say. My opinion is that she was irritated that $ that could be going for her books (& I use that term lightly!) was being spent on bicycles. | ||
| Jonvil Registered user Username: Jonvil Post Number: 356 Registered: 4-2007 |
The Profit Ellen | ||
| Agapetos Registered user Username: Agapetos Post Number: 1958 Registered: 10-2002 |
Any more quotes? | ||
| Freeatlast Registered user Username: Freeatlast Post Number: 634 Registered: 5-2002 |
"Turn to another scene. In the streets of a city a party is gathered for a bicycle-race. Some who compose this company profess to know God, and Jesus Christ whom he has sent. But who that looks upon the exciting scene would think that those taking part were followers of the meek and lowly Jesus? Who would think that they regarded their time and their physical powers as gifts from God, to be preserved for his service? Did those participating in the race take time to think that death might be the result of the wild chase? Before starting, did they pray for the protection of the ministering angels? God is not glorified by gatherings where he is thus forgotten; but he who is playing the game of life for the souls of men is well pleased to see the things of this world absorbing the attention of the young." {YI, February 4, 1897 par. 4} "The exhibitions in the bicycle craze are an offense to God. His wrath is kindled against those that do such things. For in these gratifications the mind becomes besotted, even as in liquor-drinking. The door is opened to vulgar associations. The thoughts, allowed to run in a low channel, soon pervert all the powers of the being. Like Israel of old, the pleasure-lovers eat and drink, and rise up to play. There is mirth and carousing, hilarity and glee. In all this the youth follow the example of the authors of books that are placed in their hands for study. The greatest evil of it all is the permanent effect these things have upon the character." {PH154 58.1} "You would not be purchasing bicycles, which you could do without, but would be receiving the blessing of God in exercising your physical powers in a less expensive way. Instead of investing one hundred dollars in a bicycle, you would consider the matter well, lest it might be at the price of souls for whom Christ died, and for whom he has made you responsible. Please read Isaiah 58, and see what is a sure remedy for poor health. Satan will contrive to bring about many devices to absorb the means which should be devoted to the cause of God at this time..."--From the Review of Aug. 21, 1894. {PH084 23.2} | ||
| Jonvil Registered user Username: Jonvil Post Number: 361 Registered: 4-2007 |
I'm confused! She's prejudiced against the Bicycle Race, does that make her a racist or an anti-racist? (Message edited by JONVIL on April 01, 2010) | ||
| Animal Registered user Username: Animal Post Number: 772 Registered: 7-2008 |
lol lol....no comment..i wouldnt dare | ||
| Grace_alone Registered user Username: Grace_alone Post Number: 1671 Registered: 6-2006  |
Does this include the kind with a banana seat and a sissy bar? | ||
| Freeatlast Registered user Username: Freeatlast Post Number: 635 Registered: 5-2002 |
Just for fun I googled "adventist bike club" and got 7 hits on the first page for bicycle clubs sponsored by SDA churches or hospitals. Ellen must be rolling over (on a bike?) in her grave... | ||
| Surfy Registered user Username: Surfy Post Number: 645 Registered: 11-2007 |
I had a unicycle growing up so I was immune from aunt Ellen's wrath. Surfy | ||
| Nowisee Registered user Username: Nowisee Post Number: 340 Registered: 5-2009 |
Boy, what a sourpuss. I bet she was a barrel of monkeys to be around! Nobody have a good time or I'll call the wrath of God down on you! Wonder what made her so upset about bicycles... Very funny, Jonvil! | ||
| Animal Registered user Username: Animal Post Number: 774 Registered: 7-2008 |
hormones might of been outa wack maybe??? | ||
| Freeatlast Registered user Username: Freeatlast Post Number: 636 Registered: 5-2002 |
Surfy you were only half immune from the WoE (Wrath of Ellen). I guess that means the burning would only last half as long in hell for that particular sin. (Message edited by freeatlast on April 02, 2010) (Message edited by freeatlast on April 02, 2010) |
