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| Freeatlast Registered user Username: Freeatlast Post Number: 625 Registered: 5-2002 |
Does anyone have additional insight about this film? http://www.theadventiststhefilm.com/ | ||
| Dennis Registered user Username: Dennis Post Number: 1881 Registered: 4-2000  |
I am also wondering who was initially behind this forthcoming PBS film featuring Adventism in a very positive manner. I certainly agree with Walter Rea that Seventh-day Adventism has some aggressive "super salesmen" to provide a positive spin to deceive the whole world. It is not always what they actually tell us, but rather what they don't tell us that really matters. Dennis Fischer | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 6027 Registered: 9-2006  |
Quote fro their blah: Adventism couples a firm belief in the near Second Coming of Christ with a remarkable focus on health, wholeness and well-being. Cutting edge medicine, healthy diet and regular exercise care for the body; education nourishes the mind; and community and fellowship tend the spirit. Community and fellowship tend the spirit? The second coming of Christ is outside them, nothing about the first coming, and sequentially inhabiting his people. Notice the top of the triangle, mind, then body , then spirit, which, interpreted into Advent-ese means breath, human breath. Nothing about the Holy Spirit tending those he fills. The Adventist entire religion is focused on the external, the second coming, the community, the works. They are desperate to deceive others, because deep down, something tells them they are deceived and being deceived, deep down they know they are rushing toward something they cannot control with there mind, diet or medicine. Deep down they know they have been had, it doesn't sit on the surface of them, it sits quietly waiting for them in the midnight hour, when the hustle and bustle of activity has gone, then comes that knock, knock, knock on the door of the deepest inner man. It screams out warning in its quiet scream, turn before it too late, I am the way the truth and the life, and it terrify s them. They tell themselves, oh, that can't be me, but is is them. They hear this voice all their life, telling them, warning them in a thousand different ways that something has gone terribly wrong, so they scream out their anguish in a flurry of teaching, more strenuous Sabbaths, more strenuous diet,more education. Until they finally and forever, grow old and feeble and terror of the unknown, the owner of that terribly quiet voice, and terrors untold grip them from out of hell to freeze their soul into a solid ball of ice, and there is no peace. The Holy Spirit will not work toward saving them, he is working, and has been working their entire life, working in his quiet pleading way, pointing to Jesus, pointing to life. Their inner man (spirit) will not know him, or him them, because he has been held at arms length far too long. But the true Christian will know him, and him them. "Oh, you are the one that comforted me when my child was sick and died, and during the long days and nights after, when I had no life, you held me close, that was you Lord!" "Yes it was my child, it was I who rocked you in my arms, who carried you when you could not walk further. "Yes Lord, I know you, because I am used to feeling you, I had not seen you, but you were there all the time, weren't you?. "Yes child, I was there, I was there even when you thought I was nowhere to be found." River | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 10955 Registered: 12-2003  |
I found a couple of interesting things on that website, Freeatlast. First, under the link Living Longer, if you click on "healthy Living" on the sub-menu that appears, there's a clip of Richard Rice of LLU School of Theology actually saying that healthy eating corresponds to the Adventist belief that humans are physical and have no soul or spirit which survives apart from the body, so it's important to take care of the body. I've never heard an Adventist actually articulate this connection clearly before--not to mention a CLEAR statement admitting they don't believe in an immaterial human spirit separate from the body. The producer, Doblmeier, also has an interview on this site explaining that he had been invited to LLUC to show his Bonhoeffer movie in 2006. He was given "The Tour" while here, and he began to think this would make a great story. PR is the name of the game, for sure! Colleen | ||
| Philharris Registered user Username: Philharris Post Number: 1997 Registered: 5-2007  |
There is something odd here: When I opened the website, clicked on 'related links' and then picked 'blue zones', I got a video where the speaker, among other things, recomends that you have a glass of wine every day. Then, when I went to close the link, my screen locked up. Fearless Phil | ||
| Freeatlast Registered user Username: Freeatlast Post Number: 626 Registered: 5-2002 |
Thanks for that Colleen! I assume Doblmeier wasn't given "The Other Tour" with "The Former Adventists" before investing his time and talent in this film. Good journalism considers both sides of a great story. It will be interesting to see if he gives any balance to it. Hey Phil, Paul and Timothy were there? Wow! It was great to see and hear you at FAF weekend! | ||
| Seekr777 Registered user Username: Seekr777 Post Number: 844 Registered: 1-2003  |
Colleen, thanks for the info. At first I couldn't find the name of the speaker in that film clip but when I paused the video his name came up. I didn't know who he was so thanks for letting me know. I guess I've been away from LLU for to long.  While what he said was not news to me, I had never seen it said in that context. Interesting! ! ! Richard | ||
| Melissa Registered user Username: Melissa Post Number: 1696 Registered: 7-2003  |
Hi, all. Long time :-). What I also found so interesting was the open identification of Ellen White at all. In all my time exposed to adventism and adventists, there was a clear attempt to downplay the role of her in the church. That website clearly gives her 'history' and visions. I saw more mormon correlations than I've seen in other public relations efforts where they try to more closely align themselves with mainstream 'evangelical' Christians. The reference to 'public screenings' reminded me of the PR efforts around Mel Gibson's movie on Jesus, where churches were buying out whole theater screenings. Most of the noise I heard at that time ridiculed that but they're okay with such attention to 'them'? All sorts of bells were ringing in my ears... | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 10972 Registered: 12-2003 |
Melissa, me too! This movie and the website are openly "Adventist". They are proudly exposing the newness, the uniqueness, the differences between them and evangelical Christianity. It's a new twist—at least to me. It reminds me of the LLUMC historic movie shown last year at the 100th anniversary celebration of the School of Medicine. They openly credited EGW with the establishment of the medical school and said the founders followed the direction of "God and His prophet". In the recent past, this open acknowledgement of EGW was suppressed. There's something new going on... Colleen | ||
| Bb Registered user Username: Bb Post Number: 644 Registered: 7-2004 |
River, that is so true!! The Spirit is not God living inside of them! It is community and fellowship. That is really speaking volumes about how mixed up they are about the Body, Mind and Spirit. Yes, it is an external thing, it makes me so sad when I think of that trap. But when I was in it, I didn't think deep down that it was wrong, I would have been relieved to think it was wrong because it was so depressing. One night when I was an adventist some Baptist Christians came knocking at the door to ask me if I was saved. My statement to them was that I envied them because they had the assurance of salvation and I didn't. At the time I just wished that I had what they had and had never heard of ellen white. I also let them leave without leading me to salvation. Because of course, I had more knowledge than they did since I had ellen and her copied books to keep me on the straight and narrow. |
