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| Bskillet Registered user Username: Bskillet Post Number: 686 Registered: 8-2008 |
It's not Saturday Worship, It's Sabbath Worship Ugh. This guy has totally drank the Kool-Aid. Among the more asinine points:
This is what ticks me off about what goes on in "mainstream Christianity." There is no discernment, and most Christians, SDA or otherwise, know so little of the Gospel that they can so easily be deceived by SDA propaganda. Another gem:
No, Christopher Knight, you grade-A moron, it isn't about Jesus to them. It is about Ellen White, Sabbath-keeping, and perfecting their characters so they can be "safe to save." GRRRRR! | ||
| Jrt Registered user Username: Jrt Post Number: 993 Registered: 10-2008 |
Bskillet, Yes, Grrrr ... The deceptive spirit of Adventism strikes again - not just in the minds of Adventists, but also in the minds of Christians. If one looks at current literature put out by the Seventh-day Adventist Church (world wide magazine) you find articles with headings using the name of Christ, BUT the article is all about getting EGW writings out to a world that is hungry for the "gospel". But their use of the word "gospel" has all references to EGW - NOT Jesus Christ. Deception, deception, deception ... and people keep drinking the cup of deception - unable to humble themselves and say - they were wrong and deceived. Keri | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 6022 Registered: 9-2006  |
This must be a smart guy, it took me about three years to dig out what I learned about SDA-ism as an observer. Makes me feel plumb stupid too take so long and he done it in a day! Of course my conclusion didn't quite match his, guess it is because I am so stupid. I need to call my boss today, and tell him to cancel that raise, and to quit sending them big fat checks,I just found out I'm dumber than a turnip! | ||
| Jrt Registered user Username: Jrt Post Number: 994 Registered: 10-2008 |
Bskillet, Sorry, had to write again ... just looked at your link. Have to admit - it made me cringe. Black Knight is his icon/symbol. Interesting, to me that he choose a black knight icon/symbol. I would recommend others to post to this guys blog ... it looks like only SDA's responded to his post ... something seems pretty deceptive about the whole thing .... | ||
| Seekr777 Registered user Username: Seekr777 Post Number: 843 Registered: 1-2003  |
I would be interested to know who and for what reason he was doing the research?? Was someone paying him for his conclusions? where might his conclusions have been published? I guess what I'm getting at is my rule to follow the "money" or ask who ask stands to gain from a certain action. I do the same thing when I read political commentaries as well. Richard . | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 10952 Registered: 12-2003  |
Interesting question, Richard... I did post a comment. It will not publish until the moderator approves it...we'll see. It was a fairly "mild" post, considering what I wanted to say...but the blog has a limit for the number of characters it will post, so I had to cut it way down. I noticed that even the director of the ministerial association for the (was it GC or NAD) posted there. Adventists totally deceive "outsiders". It just makes me frustrated! I agree, Keri--people should post. Colleen | ||
| Bskillet Registered user Username: Bskillet Post Number: 687 Registered: 8-2008 |
This further strengthens my belief that Richard was right: It was a propaganda piece paid for by the SDA denomination. They've done far worse. | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 10954 Registered: 12-2003 |
OK—our suspicions are probably well-founded. My post has not appeared on the blog, but one written since I wrote mine—and it's by a person converted to Adventism—is posted. This is a propaganda piece. Colleen | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 7945 Registered: 3-2004  |
That was what I thought. What pastor would let a writer in his church with a camera/crew to film his service without first asking permission before the date the man was supposed to be there. It sounded like a set up to me. Propaganda - YES!!! Diana L | ||
| Jonvil Registered user Username: Jonvil Post Number: 340 Registered: 4-2007 |
Did a quick scan of the 42 responses - 100% affirmative - not a single dissent, VERY suspicious for a blog that doesn't have an agenda(?)! John | ||
| Cortney Registered user Username: Cortney Post Number: 96 Registered: 8-2006 |
very deceptive, i wouldn't put anything past the sda church when it comes to promoting good pr and boosting their 'dropping' membership. it was probably a 'paid' agenda. in the article he said the sda church is one of the 'fastest' growing religions of this time, since when? where is he getting his statistics? in countries where there are alot of sda converts, most cannot even read or have a formal education, like Africa. alot of times they go so far as to baptize 'in hope' the person will eventually accept the whole message. they are very deceptive with their pr tactics, and it's easy to see why most new converts aren't familiar with 'the rest of the adventist story.' at least mormons tell you who they are when they come to your door, adventists on the other hand... | ||
| Asurprise Registered user Username: Asurprise Post Number: 1190 Registered: 7-2007 |
I just posted, myself. I doubt that it will be published. Had a time getting it to "take," too. What is this guy doing with a light saber? Is he promoting the "Jedi religion" thing? There's a whole can of worms right there. I used to be a Star Wars nut. Some things in the novels would make me uncomfortable though, like Luke Skywalker meditating in a very typical New Age way, sitting on the floor with his legs crossed and his hands, palms upward, laying on his knees. Also their power to levitate things and the sith (the evil counterpart to the Jedi) tapping into the "dark side of the force" for their power. Remember Qui Gon Ginn (did I spell his name right?) telling young Anikin, "when you learn to quiet your mind, you'll hear them (midi-clorins?) speaking to you"?? Quiet your mind? Is that letting it go blank as in meditation? Anyway, it makes me uncomfortable to read/watch it anymore. I posted about how all those different kinds of Sabbaths yearly/seasonal, monthly, and weekly are a shadow of Jesus (Colossians 2:16,17), how the law including the 10 Commandments came 430 years after Abraham (Galatians 3:17-19 and Deuteronomy 5), how the weekly Sabbath was a sign between Israel and God (Exodus 31:13) and how the old covenant is obsolete and we're in a brand new covenant now (Hebrews 8:13 and Hebrews 9:15-17). (Message edited by Asurprise on February 19, 2010) | ||
| Nowisee Registered user Username: Nowisee Post Number: 276 Registered: 5-2009 |
Just got home and found this! I sent off an email a second ago clarifying some of the non-Christian teachings and challenging him to do his homework. If the church doesn't hold egw above the Bible, then why defrock Dr. Ford, demonize Canright, etc. Just a matter of a little research. Told him he apparently hadn't read GC about the IJ, etc. Told him he didn't have to believe me, I am only 4th gen and really don't know what I am talking about!! | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 10958 Registered: 12-2003 |
You go, Nowisee! I'm eager to hear if you get a response... Colleen | ||
| Asurprise Registered user Username: Asurprise Post Number: 1192 Registered: 7-2007 |
He DID publish my comment and a whole series of SDA comments afterward to "refute" what I wrote. Uggg!!! Now, I'm trying to think what, if anything, to put down next. Their minds are so closed. It reminds me of futilely arguing with one of my SDA sisters over the past few years! Dianne | ||
| Bskillet Registered user Username: Bskillet Post Number: 688 Registered: 8-2008 |
Dianne, there is no point debating anything with SDAs. They are brainwashed into resorting to their proof-texts, and even arguing with or denying what Scripture says. Simply declare the truth to them, and if they refuse to accept it, God will judge them. Most are not interested in Jesus or anything to do with Him. | ||
| Asetechrail Registered user Username: Asetechrail Post Number: 22 Registered: 1-2010  |
2 Corinthians 3:7-18 (New International Version) The Glory of the New Covenant 7Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, fading though it was, 8will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9If the ministry that condemns men is glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! 10For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. 11And if what was fading away came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts! 12Therefore, since we have such a hope, we are very bold. 13We are not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face to keep the Israelites from gazing at it while the radiance was fading away. 14But their minds were made dull, for to this day the same veil remains when the old covenant is read. It has not been removed, because only in Christ is it taken away. 15Even to this day when Moses is read, a veil covers their hearts. 16But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. 17Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. 18And we, who with unveiled faces all reflect[a] the Lord's glory, are being transformed into his likeness with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit. Their minds have been made dull, the veil remains. This is the unfortunate state of Adventists today. Trying to argue religion with an Adventist is usually pointless. Kent | ||
| Asurprise Registered user Username: Asurprise Post Number: 1193 Registered: 7-2007 |
Bskillet, it's just that when I was a Seventh-day Adventist, I was so SURE that it was the One True Church. If I can write something that may give some searching soul cognitive dissonance that may cause them to cry out to God - it's worth a try. I want them to be saved. Yes, just talking to me about the gospel didn't get anywhere with me when I was an SDA. It took a series of miracles for me. Some people on this forum though, experienced cognitive dissonance which led them to question and more importantly, ask God to show them the truth. Until a person asks God for the truth, they won't get it. At least one of those people who answered my first post twisted themselves all around to "refute" it. That reminded me of my sister. I got to see cognitive dissonance in the face of a visiting Mormon once. As you know, they believe they can "feel it" when something is true. They call that "a burning in the bosom." Anyway, I mentioned that my sister "feels" the Holy Spirit when she reads Ellen White, and one of the young Mormon men got the most confused look and stared at the ground. I HOPE he asked God to show him the truth. | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 6030 Registered: 9-2006 |
I keep telling them to lay off Tacos and red peppers! I get a burning in the bosom whenever I eat too many Mexican Peanuts myself. He probably wasn't confused, he just had indigestion. | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 10959 Registered: 12-2003 |
Dianne, I just read the responses to your post. My take on it: your post is serving as an excuse for them to more fully apply their proof-texting "logic" that they use so effectively in their evangelism. Of course, their responses are entirely derived from their EGW-colored worldview, but people who aren't really grounded in Scripture are beguiled by those arguments. You posted a really good post, but they are misusing it--and, I believe, the blog moderator is making sure only the SDA arguments are being posted. In fact, I find myself wondering if he didn't post your response precisely to elicit responses. My gut reaction is that there's no need for you to post again...sometimes when we speak the truth to people who are resistant, they become MORE hardened and resistant. That blog and report are not unbiased! Colleen | ||
| Asurprise Registered user Username: Asurprise Post Number: 1195 Registered: 7-2007 |
Colleen, I already posted again (yesterday in the early afternoon, I think). He didn't put my second post up, I notice. It's so sad and frustrating, but I think you're right. My sister is exactly the same way when I email her. It's mind-boggling the way she twists and turns to come up with her answers and defend the SDA religion. Whenever I point out something that she has no answer to, she does just that - doesn't answer. And she won't talk about Christianity on the phone. When I try to read her something out of the Bible she just holds the phone away from her ear. She will only discuss via email. | ||
| Skeeter Registered user Username: Skeeter Post Number: 543 Registered: 12-2007 |
Instead of dealing with the frustration of not knowing if our posts will even show up, or if they will be used wrongly if they are posted... I think it would be good at this point to start a page of our own there with the name of the page as similar to theirs as possible so it will show up in a search along with theirs. That way people will have a chance to see the truth as presented in the Bible and not how it was twisted by EGW and continues to be twisted by those who remain behind the veil and continue to follow her teachings. Francie |
