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Jeremy
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Username: Jeremy
Post Number: 3118
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| | Posted on Tuesday, January 05, 2010 - 10:47 am: |     |
And take a look at this, from Remnant Publications: http://www.theremnantstudybible.com/
The Remnant Study Bible. And it's being published by Thomas Nelson!! And they even claim that Thomas Nelson initiated it:
quote:"Thomas Nelson Initiates E.G.White Study Bible: Thomas Nelson, the largest Christian publisher in the world approached Remnant Publications to create an E. G. White Study Bible for the first time in the New King James Version!"
--http://www.theremnantstudybible.com/component/content/article/3-newsflash/4-newsflash-3.html
Jeremy
(Message edited by Jeremy on January 05, 2010) |
Helovesme2
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Post Number: 2308
Registered: 8-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 05, 2010 - 11:35 am: | |
I wander what SDA works for Thomas Nelson? |
Jrt
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Post Number: 935
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| | Posted on Tuesday, January 05, 2010 - 11:53 am: | |
OK ... just called Remnant Publications. Couldn't find an ISBN no. on their site for this study Bible. Seemed pretty weird to me. Cause I went to Thomas Nelson site to find the Bible.
The woman I talked to was hesitant. Asked me "why" I wanted to know the ISBN no.
Then I asked her about Thomas Nelson and she told me they were the printers ... That Remnant Publications had contracted with them to "print" the book.
Interesting advertisement they have on their website, huh? As if Thomas Nelson approached them as if to legitimize the SDA commentary Bible.
Oh ... they SO desperately want to be seen as mainstream Christian and recognized by the Christian Community - so much so they will be deceptive about their doctrines and their practices.
God is Sovereign ... He will not allow His name to be denigrated. |
Jrt
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Post Number: 936
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| | Posted on Tuesday, January 05, 2010 - 11:55 am: | |
P.S. Thomas Nelson didn't approach to create ... they are the printers ... lying remnant website ... |
Helovesme2
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Post Number: 2309
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| | Posted on Tuesday, January 05, 2010 - 11:57 am: | |
Wow! Thanks for checking that out. |
River
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Username: River
Post Number: 5841
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 05, 2010 - 12:00 pm: | |
Makes me want to become a Adventist, but Phil says I wouldn't make a good one. 
I don't see nothing wrong with driving up to church on a bike wearing motorcyle leathers smoking a cigar, now do yall?
Course if I spit a lugy on the pastor or old Mrs. Throttlebut, I could see where I might have a problem.
River |
Flyinglady
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Post Number: 7819
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 05, 2010 - 4:23 pm: | |
My message to this site is that I did not hear the name of Jesus mentioned. EGW did not die for my sins, Jesus did.
Diana L |
Psalm107v2
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Post Number: 541
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| | Posted on Tuesday, January 05, 2010 - 4:54 pm: | |
Every cult that I can think of has to revere their leader-even when dirt hits the fan. Mormons sooner or later will trot Joe Smith out, the JWs in the last several years have been really emphasizing Jesus (the Jesus of their making) but they trott out Charles Russell as a prophet sooner or later. The Key of David is a show by a break off of the WWCG and all the breakoffs laud Armstrong.
I suppose it must be a matter of time before the EGW animation, bible and that movie that is coming out came to life despite what is available to show she's a false prophet. |
Flyinglady
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Post Number: 7820
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| | Posted on Tuesday, January 05, 2010 - 6:42 pm: | |
Here is the response I just received to the comments I made.
I think I will write back and ask that if it is only for adventists, why are they making 2 hour length films and want them in theatres around the world. I will say that is good as the Christian that goes to see them will see what the SDAs really believe. That what SDAs believe is not Biblical.
Diana L
Greetings!
Thanks for taking the time to check out EllenVision! I appreciate your honest response. I must inform you that the demonstration you saw was only for Adventists and will not be for general release. The actual plan is to recreate Patriarch's and Prophets, Desire of Ages and The Great Controversy each into a two hour film of this format which would then be released in theaters around the world. The reality is, that the story which will be told is that of the Bible from the perspective of the Bible and and Ellen White's writings (with which the world is largely unfamiliar). God is working in a mighty way right now as we are and have been meeting with such positive feedback. We are also currently sourcing the funding to make this happen and although it's quite unofficial, by faith it will be done!
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Helovesme2
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| | Posted on Tuesday, January 05, 2010 - 7:18 pm: | |
Sounds to me like the demonstration is for Adventists and the final product would be marketed to the general public, but I may be reading it wrong. |
Flyinglady
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| | Posted on Tuesday, January 05, 2010 - 7:41 pm: | |
That is the way I understand it also, Mary.
Diana L |
Nowisee
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Post Number: 230
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| | Posted on Tuesday, January 05, 2010 - 8:34 pm: | |
The whole ellenvision thing is on facebook, where it was shown to me. The eyes looked demonic to me (not being dramatic) and Ellen's beaming up reminded me of an 'abduction' and the little figures, I agree, look exactly like 'aliens'. Just sent an email also, Diane. I agree that, in the end, this will be a good thing because it exposes the occult bizarre foundation better than anything we could say. |
Cloudwatcher
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| | Posted on Saturday, January 09, 2010 - 12:36 am: | |
Keri-- In the past couple of months, Thomas Nelson announced they were launching a self-publishing arm. I suspect this is what the affiliation is (in essence, no affiliation). Deceptive indeed. I can't believe they would be given the rights to republish one of their Bibles though...that part is still confusing me. It's absolutely disgusting what they're doing. |
River
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| | Posted on Saturday, January 09, 2010 - 3:56 am: | |
From what I know of what is going on in the publishing industry (Which is not much)due to the many ways writers can publish nowadays, it is no surprise to me that the main publishing houses are launching self publish arms. Things are a changing in the publishing world.
I can publish through Amazon without even going to the expense of an isbn number, I elected to let Mary do mine though.
A couple of publishing houses were willing to pick me up, but I refused. Nowadays, just because they are willing to publish is no sign you are going to get on the book shelves.
Makes me think Nelson may be trying to get a small peace of the pie in order to survive in the present climate.
I elected to become my own publisher, in doing so I don't need to have unsold books, I simply print as needed. I could also contract with the Adventist arm and publish for them as needed and ship to their individual book stores on an as needed basis, or individual writers who are willing to end up with a garage full of unsold books. Of course I would have to ramp up to speed to suit, but that could probably be done in month.
So basically Nelson may be just grinding out paper to who ever will pay the fee, just guessing.
River |
Dennis
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Post Number: 1847
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| | Posted on Saturday, January 09, 2010 - 7:46 am: | |
Major publishers (including some SDA publishing houses) will do various printing jobs when not at full capacity or between in-house projects. It is entirely a business decision of profitability versus sustaining losses by keeping expensive equipment idle and resorting to reduced employee hours. It is commonplace for Christian publishers to help each other when facing deadlines. The theological content is typically secondary in these outsourcing cases.
Dennis Fischer |
Jrt
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| | Posted on Saturday, January 09, 2010 - 10:53 am: | |
Yes, I came to the same conclusion ... Thomas Nelson may be doing this for the "financial aspect" of the transaction. And it is NOT someone from Thomas Nelson I talked with - It was someone from Remnant Publications (I realize that was unclear from my initial post.)
The possibility of it totally being a "business transaction" does not rationalize away the false advertising on the remnant Bible Study website http://www.theremnantstudybible.com/component/content/article/3-newsflash/4-newsflash-3.html) that Thomas Nelson approached Remnant publications to CREATE an E.G. White study Bible.
That is very different than Remnant Publications approaching Thomas Nelson to print something OR even Thomas Nelson hearing about something and seeking a business transaction ... Look at the subtle indication ... they "approached ... to create". Where is the value placed ... Oh, this Bible is of value that a reputable publisher would approach to create ... Sorry, I'm not faulting Thomas Nelson - I am alluding to the deception at the Remnant Publications website ...
How might Thomas Nelson feel if The Book of Mormon is used as Study Notes for a Bible they publish?
Sorry, the deception by Remnant publications gets me a bit irritated - especially when it involves the Word of God. |
Colleentinker
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| | Posted on Saturday, January 09, 2010 - 3:23 pm: | |
I SOOO agree, Keri. It's inexcusable...
Colleen |
Dennis
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| | Posted on Saturday, January 09, 2010 - 7:38 pm: | |
I think it was Remnant Publications that made a marketing deal with Walmart about two years ago. I emailed them and never received the courtesy of a reply. Moreover, I contacted Walmart executives about their republishing Ellen White's books as "E. G. White" and changing/disguising the original book titles. I had the displeasure of actually examining one of these books at my local Walmart store. Shopper's can easily get confused with names like E. G. White and E. B. White (a popular author).
Some Adventists were even encouraging each other to immediately buy several books (at Walmart stores) to make it appear that there was a genuine public market for those books. Apparently, enough people contacted the Walmart corporate headquarters to protest because they are not currently selling these deceptive books. Indeed, every person counts whenever we notice outright deception in the public marketplace.
Dennis Fischer |
Asurprise
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| | Posted on Sunday, January 10, 2010 - 6:15 pm: | |
That's shocking that a store like Walmart would sell EGW books. Didn't they know what sort of books they were selling? When I was an Adventist, I would have been pleased about that. I thought a little deception for a "greater good" was okay. Like, at the local Adventist Book Center; the sign says: "ABC Christian Book Store." Something like that. Anyway, it draws people in who think it's just a regular Christian book store.  |
Dennis
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| | Posted on Sunday, January 10, 2010 - 6:53 pm: | |
Asurprise,
In North Carolina, Christians generally frown upon ABC stores in every community (meaning "Alcoholic Beverage Control"). They are package liquor stores that supposed limit or control the sale of various alcoholic beverages. Smile!
Similarly, Adventists now refer to some of their elementary and secondary schools as "Christian schools." The diehard or conservative members are lamenting the demise of "Adventist schools."
Dennis Fischer
(Message edited by Dennis on January 10, 2010) |
Colleentinker
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| | Posted on Monday, January 11, 2010 - 12:13 pm: | |
Asurprise, I thought the same thing: a little deception for the purpose of "The Truth" was OK. I didn't actually allow myself to call it "deception", though. I considered it dedication to The Truth, and since we knew our beliefs were "The Truth", we could justify any arrogance or wily-ness necessary to get it out there.
I remember the startling realization I had one day when I became consciously aware that the reason I had been able to excuse Ellen's double-talk and rationalize the words of Scripture was that I held two polar opposite beliefs simultaneously: that God could not lie (biblical truth), and that God held his hand over William Miller's mistake for the purpose of people "getting ready" for His return (Ellen White assertion).
Because I believed these opposing things, I could rationalize deception as "not deception" if it was for the purpose of "truth".
When I realized that I actually believed that God deceived people, which is the same as lying, I was shocked. It made me know that I had to hang my faith on the words of Scripture, never on the explanations humans might tell me. If Scripture doesn't support a notion, I can't believe that notion to be "truth".
Colleen |
Asurprise
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| | Posted on Monday, January 11, 2010 - 8:20 pm: | |
I was able to believe that the SDA church was the truth because I just took both the Bible and Ellen White somewhat metaphorically - and came up with a place somewhere in the middle. I know it was weird and never gave me an assurance of salvation - you know? No false religion gives any assurance of salvation. Not SDA, Islam, LDS, etc. etc. etc. Anyway, despite that, I still believed that it was the ONE TRUE CHURCH!
It wasn't until I found out for sure (miraculously) that Ellen White completely contradicted the Bible and that the SDA church didn't accept the New Covenant that Jesus brought in, that I was able to see that it was a false church. |
