| Author | Message | ||
| Dennis Registered user Username: Dennis Post Number: 1753 Registered: 4-2000  |
Where is Jesus, my Savior and Substitute? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsN5x3X-tqg Dennis Fischer | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 7343 Registered: 3-2004  |
Who is that talking? I am so glad to hear this!! Our awesome Jesus is not lost. He is in Heaven at the right hand of the Father. Diana L | ||
| Gcfrankie Registered user Username: Gcfrankie Post Number: 560 Registered: 1-2007 |
Amen Diana, Oh, yes He is lost, just ask an sda as egw has Him hopping around like a jack-rabbit between two rooms that no longer exist. Which is now one. It almost reminds me of the rabbit in 'Alice in Wonderland', if it were not soooo sad. For those not familiar with Alice in Wonderland, there was a rabbit that would pop-up during the movie out of a hole and say, 'I am late, I am late for a very important date', and then down the hole he would go. Jesus is sitting very contentedly at the right hand of the almighty Father. It would be almost funny if it were not so sad that they believe egw over the bible. Gail | ||
| Dennis Registered user Username: Dennis Post Number: 1754 Registered: 4-2000 |
Diana, I don't know who is speaking on the audio, but he asks some very pertinent questions. I learned of its existence through a Google alert. Since Satan supposedly took over in the Holy Place when Jesus left it in 1844, he (Satan) has been busily intercepting and answering prayers of all heresies. Apparently, reading between the lines, Satan was somehow expelled from the Holy Place so that Jesus could return and stand behind the candlesticks again. Consequently, the Most Holy Place must be currently unoccupied or unattended. In stark contrast to Seventh-day Adventist dogma, the finished work of Christ is nonnegotiable in biblical Christianity. Dennis Fischer | ||
| Psalm107v2 Registered user Username: Psalm107v2 Post Number: 395 Registered: 10-2008  |
The fellow talking is Bingolly. He is a guy who has a huge amount of videos about the SDA church on youtube. I've talked to him a couple of times. He is a Baptist but is open that he is moving towards becoming catholic which of course makes any Sdas jump up and down and say "you're catholic I can't listen to you--you're wrong I'm right" His other posts/videos are worth looking at. I sent one to a friend and boy did he get riled up. Enoch | ||
| Skeeter Registered user Username: Skeeter Post Number: 211 Registered: 12-2007 |
liked watching his video.... have to say though I am dissappointed he is moving toward Catholicism... doesnt he realize that the Pope is considered "Christ on earth" ? and why would he ridicule EGW and then turn around and follow a Pope ? whats the difference ? ?? Oh well..... | ||
| Dennis Registered user Username: Dennis Post Number: 1755 Registered: 4-2000 |
Interestingly, in my online chaplaincy to both Adventists and Catholics for many years, both groups feel that a raw nerve has been hit whenever their prophetess or pontiff is criticized in any way. In the case of Adventism, their personal offense (by someone criticizing Ellen White) will be even greater than in pointing out the invalidity of observing the weekly, festal Sabbath. However, of all people, Seventh-day Adventists should be most tolerant and understanding of opposition due to their historic stance toward Catholics; specifically, "We dearly love the Catholic people, but not their false system of belief." Somehow this doesn't soak through to them whenever Ellen White is exposed as well. With few exceptions, they immediately take it very personally. May we continue to be avid defenders of the Christian faith in this age of extreme apostasy. Dennis Fischer | ||
| Gcfrankie Registered user Username: Gcfrankie Post Number: 563 Registered: 1-2007 |
Dennis, Your post reminds me of what is good for the goose is not good for the gander. SDA's can critize about the Pope, Joseph Smith, Mohomad, etc but DO NOT dare say anything about their prize prophetess. How can they be tolerant to opposition when they have been brainwashed into believing the sunday worshipers are going to persecute them being lead by the catholics? Anyone outside of sda are false teachers and are not to be believed. If you tell them that the catholics are not going to be the anti-christ of the end times they go belistic if you suggest that it may be the muslims (teleban). We do not know who it will be but are warned to test everything against God's word. God is the only one who knows as He is also the only one who knows when Jesus will return. Gail | ||
| Skeeter Registered user Username: Skeeter Post Number: 212 Registered: 12-2007 |
what I am saying is whats good for the goose SHOULD be good for the Gander. ANY church that has their own personal "prophet" their own version of the Bible, that teaches their church is THE only "true" church, etc. to me is a FALSE church. That includes SDA, Mormon, Scientology, JW's, Catholic,or any other that follows any HUMAN to the point of seemingly worshipping that person +/or putting ANY human's messages above the Bible. | ||
| Skeeter Registered user Username: Skeeter Post Number: 213 Registered: 12-2007 |
"In the case of Adventism, their personal offense (by someone criticizing Ellen White) will be even greater than in pointing out the invalidity of observing the weekly, festal Sabbath." That is probably true of some SDA's..in certain areas of the country .. but none that I personally know.(on the West coast) Of those I knew and went to church with, even as much as some of them believed in Ellen White, I think all of them (that I knew, and including myself) would have easily given up Ellen White before they would consider giving up the Sabbath because the Ten Commandments are considered to be God's rules to live by. It is too bad they just dont "get it" that the 10 were given only to Israel and only to be temporary at that... | ||
| Seekr777 Registered user Username: Seekr777 Post Number: 792 Registered: 1-2003  |
Dennis, where does the information come from that you refer to about Satan taking over the Holy Place and answering prayers? or of your statement about him being displaced by Christ? What is this about? Richard . | ||
| Indy4now Registered user Username: Indy4now Post Number: 717 Registered: 2-2008  |
Hi Richard~ In Early Writings (p.54-56), under a section called "End of the 2300 Days", EGW explains that she sees two companies of people at the throne of Christ. One company is bowed down before the throne "deeply interested", the other was "uninterested and careless". She doesn't say that Christ's throne is in the Holy Place... but she explains that Christ leaves His throne and moves into the Most Holy Place. He leads the Advent company "out a little way" and left the other company in darkness at the throne that was empty. Christ then breathes upon the Advent company the Holy Ghost. She then says this about the other company-
vivian | ||
| Surfy Registered user Username: Surfy Post Number: 566 Registered: 11-2007 |
I feel like me brain needs to be cleansed after reading that. Surfy | ||
| Philharris Registered user Username: Philharris Post Number: 1779 Registered: 5-2007  |
Vivian, Yuck! I shuddered as I read this Ellen quote.  Fearless Phil | ||
| Gcfrankie Registered user Username: Gcfrankie Post Number: 565 Registered: 1-2007 |
Vivian, I am in agreement with Fearless Phil about getting the shudders with this quote from Ellen and also from other things being quoted from her. Gail | ||
| Dennis Registered user Username: Dennis Post Number: 1756 Registered: 4-2000 |
Richard, Thank you for your question. The following link provides an extensive analysis of Ellen G. Harmon's letter to Brother Jacobs on February 15, 1846: http://www.nonsda.org/egw/sdafounders.shtml Also, notice in her letter to Brother Jacobs, how Ellen saw an "exceeding bright light" like Joseph Smith reported seeing many times as well. Moreover, unbiblically, in the same letter, Ellen Harmon relates how God the Father has an actual physical body. She claimed Jesus told her that. Vivian, Thanks for posting the quote from Early Writings. Truly, the abilities of Satan were often grossly overstated by Ellen White (i.e., her infamous "Great Controversy" theory, etc.). Dennis Fischer | ||
| Skeeter Registered user Username: Skeeter Post Number: 218 Registered: 12-2007 |
Ellen White aside,,, doesnt the Bible say at the time of Creation "let us make man in our own image " ?Doesnt that mean that God has a body ? not like our mortal bodies of course, but like the body Christ had after the ressurrection,, he could go in and out of places un noticed, but still had a "body" because he told Thomas to touch him and see that he was not a spirit but that he still had flesh and bone. ??? forgive me if this is a dumb assesment, but I am still learnin.. God aint done with me yet. :-) | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 2948 Registered: 10-2004  |
Skeeter, No, that would be making God in our image (the reverse of what Genesis says). We can't extrapolate from what we know about ourselves as humans, and say that that is what God is like. When it says that God created man in His image, it uses the word for "created out of nothing" and not the word for forming something like when it talks about Him forming Adam's body. So, it is talking about our spirit being made in the image of God--who is Spirit. Jesus says in John 4:24 that "God is spirit" and as you just mentioned, He tells the disciples that a spirit does not have flesh and bones (Luke 24:39). The SDA/EGW idea of God having a body is what necessitated their belief in polytheism (Jesus and the Father as two separate, physical beings/gods). (For more on this SDA teaching of God being physical, see here.) The teaching that God has a body is also taught by Mormonism, but has never been taught by Biblical, historic, orthodox Christianity. Jeremy (Message edited by Jeremy on August 15, 2009) | ||
| Indy4now Registered user Username: Indy4now Post Number: 719 Registered: 2-2008 |
... sometimes I don't even realize how crazy this stuff sounds until I've left it alone for a few years. I just realized something this morning after I had reread this. First you have both "companies" by the throne... then Jesus leads the Advent company "out a little way" (to who knows where) while the other company is still at the empty throne. Then Jesus leaves the Advent company wherever they are and He goes in to the Most Holy Place. Is this kinda like what Jesus does, according to their theology, with our sins? After He removes them from the books, the sins have to remain somewhere until they are placed on Satan? There's a lot of loose ends here. vivian p.s. I agree Dennis... EGW gives way too much power to Satan. | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 7349 Registered: 3-2004 |
I had forgotten most of adventists beliefs the 20+ years I did not read any of the Bible and went to the SDA church only occasionally. So when I read the NT starting January 2004 I just soaked it up like a sponge and had nothing to question it with, like former beliefs. Then when I joined FAF I started hearing some of the doctrines that are so abberant, i.e., the IJ, all of EGW's comments, the scape goat and all the rest. That was when I learned all about the SDA doctrines. God prepared me those 20+ years. I like to say He used my 12 step program to clean the SDA cobwebs out of my brain. Thank you awesome God. Diana L | ||
| Handmaiden Registered user Username: Handmaiden Post Number: 100 Registered: 7-2008 |
The title of this thread is egw lost Jesus. i had to read the whole thing twice ... to be sure i understood it correctly...what a mess. i listened to bingolly's tape and then i saw another one where he says he is a jesuit priest!!! it just grieves my spirit so much when one false church points out the errors of another false church... and no one seems to be interested in the BIBLICAL TRUTH. What these false churches teach their people is sooooo HEARTBREAKING. i just can't believe what lds and sda teach their people, but i should not be surprised, as coming out from the rcc and knowing what they teach is also so shocking when compared with the TRUTH of scripture. my brother, who is an atheist loves to cite the hatred and wars that have their root in religion. We are alllll soooo lost without JESUS. God was sooo good to give us His inerrant Word to bring us out of deception. The Bible truly is living water compared to the cesspool of the enemy's religions. Reading threads like this one, make me soooo glad, sooooo very grateful that JESUS saved me from my sins and religion and brought me into a loving relationship with the true and living God of Scripture. i am eternally grateful to JESUS and all He has done for me. love handmaiden | ||
| Dennis Registered user Username: Dennis Post Number: 1757 Registered: 4-2000 |
Handmaiden, You stated it very well. Ironically, many times one cult will expose another one. Their assessment of each other is sometimes accurate and sometimes inaccurate. Occasionally, an accurate assessment is well presented as well. Dennis Fischer | ||
| Handmaiden Registered user Username: Handmaiden Post Number: 105 Registered: 7-2008 |
Dennis, It is just so sad to see the enemy set one against the other.... Thankyou for your online ministry to both adventists and catholics. They both so desparately need to hear the Words of eternal life from Jesus. My heart aches for those who are so entrenched in the lies of the enemy. it is true egw did lose Jesus and in losing Jesus she lost her salvation. Lord give us your heart and your burden for those crippled, blinded and so very lost because of these cults. love handmaiden | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 10236 Registered: 12-2003  |
I agree, Handmaiden. The thing about Ellen White and her aberrant statements that has really imprinted itself on my mind is this: she is OFFICIALLY called "a continuing and authoritative source of truth." A "source" is an original, one-of-a-kind font of something. It is unique and original. This word is no mistake. As Dale Ratzlaff points out in his presentation on the differences between Adventism and Christianity, the SDA church did not use the "source" description in their fundamental beliefs before 1980. It was only when Desmond Ford proved without doubt that the invetsigative judgment could not be supported from the Bible that the church voted, in 1980, to adopt a new set of fundamental beliefs. Their statement about Ellen White became much stronger--and they included the "source" comment because they fully recognize that the IJ depends upon her. Because they cannot even contemplate letting go of that doctrine (because without it the SDA church would have no reason to exist), they carefully re-phrased the fundamental belief about Ellen (it's #18) to account for her authority to establish the IJ. Ellen White gives too much credit to Satan because she worked for the "other side". Any religion which calls someone a prophet on the par of a Bible prophet and teaches things contrary to the gospel is holding onto a false prophet. There's no neutral spiritual "place" in the universe. Either oeople are spiritually dead, or they are spiritually alive. There's no middle ground. No one can misrepresent Jesus as Ellen did and be spiritualy alive. Of course, Adventists get around this clear-cut distinction by their disbelief in the human spirit. To an Adventist, there's no clear distinction between "alive" and "dead". It's all a "process". Colleen | ||
| Nowisee Registered user Username: Nowisee Post Number: 78 Registered: 5-2009 |
Ummm-am I reading this 'early writings' quote right--where she says Satan breathed upon them an unholy influence, which had LIGHT in it? She is ascribing light as a characteristic of Satan??? This sounds like the "B" word to me! | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 10244 Registered: 12-2003 |
Nowisee, I had not paid attention to that detail...LIGHT, indeed?! I'm with you—that's the "B" word...! Colleen | ||
| Hec Registered user Username: Hec Post Number: 435 Registered: 3-2009 |
But isn't that why Satan can deceive us, because he mixes light and darkness, truth and lies? Hec |
