| Author | Message | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 4993 Registered: 9-2006  |
Sondra, I just saw your post about Faf ie. Fix a flat, rofl, rofl. yes that describes us to a 'T'. Somehow I missed that post, must be getting old. SDA-ism is non-functional and as flat as a flitter. River | ||
| Skeeter Registered user Username: Skeeter Post Number: 6 Registered: 12-2007 |
I posted this question (in long form) on the closed site,, dont know why I put it there instead of here,, just because I was reading over there at the time it came to mind I guess... anyway in short,, what is the SDA stance on Suicide ? Can a person who has committed suicide go to Heaven ? My SDA MIL will not tell her daughter who lost her daughter to suicide what SDA position is... or if she knows. Her daughter had health problems and was clinically depressed for several years. She loved Jesus and left a note in her Bible saying she wanted to be with Jesus. She asked that at her funeral the talks be not about her but uplifting Jesus and for one song to be sung.. "I'd rather have Jesus". I cant find a clear answer in the Bible about suicide,, and no SDA seems to want to discuss it.. anyone here know ? | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 4994 Registered: 9-2006 |
Gail, thank you, I laughed till I hurt. LoL. | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 4995 Registered: 9-2006 |
Hec, Glad you are enjoying the book, mail must be getting faster. Ha! | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 7007 Registered: 3-2004  |
Skeeter, welcome to FAF. I am so glad you have come out of lurking mode. For all of you who were in Oregon this weekend, I pray you have a safe journey home. River, I am glad you are home safely. It sounds like you enjoyed meeting the Ratzlaffs and everyone else. Diana L | ||
| Animal Registered user Username: Animal Post Number: 503 Registered: 7-2008  |
Hi Skeeter In my opinion...suicide is not the unpardonable sin. God understands the human struggle. He is full of mercy and grace. Never let any minister tell you that if a person committs suicide that they have no hope of going to heaven. Ask them for scriptural support for such a position..They wont find any. ...Animal..trust the Bible, not theology !!!! P.S....I dont know what the official SDA position is on this topic....sorry...sigh | ||
| Asurprise Registered user Username: Asurprise Post Number: 837 Registered: 7-2007 |
The only sin that will cause a person to be lost is rejecting Jesus. Few Adventists can accept Him, because they feel that there is something they have to do to add to Jesus' finished work. I don't know what the official SDA position is, though the Adventist "Jesus" is pretty harsh. He probably wouldn't let a person into Heaven if their breath smelled like bacon!  There's a "verse" in the book of Mormon which sounds kind of like SDA thinking. It's typical thinking for a cult. The last part of the "verse" 2 Nephi 25:23 says: "...for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do." (If I remember right, when I was a kid - I and my parents were SDA - my mother told me that "Jesus makes up the difference after we've done everything we can.") That's the difference between true Christianity and the cults. True Christianity says that Jesus did it all - that salvation is DONE. All a person needs to do is accept Jesus and they are saved that moment. Those who think that's "cheap grace" don't understand grace, nor the work of the Holy Spirit in a person's life. | ||
| Philharris Registered user Username: Philharris Post Number: 1665 Registered: 5-2007  |
I too don't know the offical SDA stance on suicide. My response to the question, if asked is: What can separate you (a born again, Spirit sealed Christian) from the love of God (Romans Chapter Eight)? Skeeter, welcome! Fearless Phil | ||
| Hec Registered user Username: Hec Post Number: 283 Registered: 3-2009 |
I've heard SDA pastors say (on funerals) that you can go to heaven if you commit suicide kind of a one-on-one based. Each case judge differently. EGW would say that since you did not confess the sin and you can't pass the IJ with unconfessed sins, then you wouldn't go to heaven. Evangelicals, I suppose would say that since Jesus paid and forgave ALL your sins at the cross, then the sin of suicide was also forgiven. In my babyhood, I lean towards the latter. Hec | ||
| Seekinglight Registered user Username: Seekinglight Post Number: 224 Registered: 3-2009 |
River, you said the deception by the leadership is well-documented. Besides the minutes of the 1919 Bible conferences (I've downloaded them and wading thru them now), does anyone know where I can find official documentation of deception? I need all the ammunition I can get a hold of b/c I'm telling my parents I'm leaving the church in a few days. Thanks much! | ||
| Animal Registered user Username: Animal Post Number: 509 Registered: 7-2008 |
Hi Seekinglight... How do you get the 1919 Bible conference minutes? I woul like to read them too....thanks Animal | ||
| Seekinglight Registered user Username: Seekinglight Post Number: 225 Registered: 3-2009 |
Animal, here's the link: http://www.adventistarchives.org/documents.asp?CatID=19&SortBy=1&ShowDateOrder=True | ||
| Animal Registered user Username: Animal Post Number: 510 Registered: 7-2008 |
Thank you very much. Looks like a ton of reading,,,,sigh | ||
| Seekinglight Registered user Username: Seekinglight Post Number: 226 Registered: 3-2009 |
Haha, it is a ton of reading. Perhaps this is one of the reasons Adventism is still around--folks (understandably) cannot find time/energy to wade thru all the evidence. It's complicated! Or at least seems that way right now. | ||
| 8thday Registered user Username: 8thday Post Number: 975 Registered: 11-2007  |
Welcome Skeeter!!! I'm soooo late! ha. I love your story and LOVE the quote from your church bulletin! Do you know who said that? Vivian, can you get permission to put that on a t-shirt?? ha. I was taught as an sda that if you committed suicide you were lost - relating to the fact they don't believe any sin can be forgiven if it's not confessed, so you can't ask for forgiveness after you are dead. (I remember being taught that we should search our minds every day for sin to confess so we could keep our slate clean and stay saved.) Sounds pretty Catholic to me. I watch Mother Angelica sometimes on EWTN just for fun. She cracks me up.. but she teaches the same thing. Sondra | ||
| Jdpascal Registered user Username: Jdpascal Post Number: 180 Registered: 10-2003 |
One of the SDA churches we attended had a country cemetery. The first time I helped with some maintenance there I noticed a lone marker in the opposite corner from the other graves. In asking about this curious situation I was informed that the person had committed suicide. I'm not sure that this is still an SDA practice but I sure found it sad to be excluded from fellowship even in death as a constant reminder to family and friends. | ||
| Hec Registered user Username: Hec Post Number: 286 Registered: 3-2009 |
HALLMARK OF SENSITIVITY! | ||
| Martin Registered user Username: Martin Post Number: 65 Registered: 11-2008 |
So, 8thday, according to them, in the end you still have to work towards your salvation, no? It depends on you to "stay saved". I don't think you can say it clearer than that. That sounds particularly horrible to me now, since I started doing a study on Romans a few days ago... Following the advice given in the forum, I'm going verse by verse and I'm lettting it take as long as it's needed. Today I finished chapter 4, and I have to say that it's really surprising how much you can extract from sich a small piece of text... I've had many surprises and challenges. For example, I think that for the first time ever I've been able to really understand how utterly impotent we are as humans against God's wrath, since there is no way for us to fulfil the demands of a holy law! We are so far from any kind of salvation, if it wasn't for God's grace... Suddenly this idea formed in my head, of how unfair it felt to be judged for something that I didn't choose to be born in... Basically, the Scriptures were challenging me with things that I didn't consider that deeply before and, as Seekinglight mentioned in another thread (Mind Control or thinking Patterns), God was allowing me to protest a bit... Because He knows that He can show me what's true. It's a continuous learning and growing under His wing. The difference between now and before is that, well, you never felt like you could do that... It was like if you were to challenge that way, then you would not be able to "stay saved". Maybe, was it because there was no real relationship? Also, I never thought about the Holy Spirit in the way I consider it now... It's very different. | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 9997 Registered: 12-2003  |
Seekinglight, Dale's book "Truth Led Me Out" gives names and places. Colleen | ||
| Skeeter Registered user Username: Skeeter Post Number: 7 Registered: 12-2007 |
(LOVE the quote from your church bulletin! Do you know who said that? Vivian, can you get permission to put that on a t-shirt?? ha. ) No, I dont know who first said it.. it was in the church bulletin with no credit given to anyone. If someone puts it on a T shirt, I definitely want one. :-) I was at the church my son attends which is an independent Church of Christ. I go there once in a while with my son, daughter in law and 3 grandchildren. I dont know about the other Churches of Christ,, but this one is independent from the regular ones,,, and they teach from the Bible alone, so I am thankful for that. I am "officially" still on the books as a SDA, but I guess I am still so upset, angry, hurt and confused about all the lies in the SDA church.. (I have been a member for about35 years...) I am afraid to commit myself to ANY church right now. I do know that IF I ever join another church I will ask a LOT of questions and will make sure they do not have a "Prophet", or their own version of the Bible, etc. I want to belong to Jesus Christ, not to a Denomination or belief system that teaches through anything but the Bible. BTW, my real name is Francie :-) |
