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| Surfy Registered user Username: Surfy Post Number: 491 Registered: 11-2007 |
Vivian, Fired pickles sounds yummy. Saw a show recently where a restaurant had battered and deep fried bacon. Real yummy. And we want to see the tattoo when you get one. Surfy | ||
| Akweavers Registered user Username: Akweavers Post Number: 97 Registered: 8-2008 |
This is a little off topic but sorta fits. Have ya'll noticed how adventists jump from one fad to another? Some of the ones I remember are: some diet called Pritkins (sp), those over priced blenders, and some water distiller. Everybody has to have these things because they are food/health related...anybody remember some other fads? And not everything they do is innocent either. They might have killed my daughter when she was under 2 years with some steam room treatment nonsense. Thank God a real nurse was there and said, "Get your daughter outta here, they are gonna kill her". She had enough sense to know you can't do that treatment while you are taking Provental ( I was young and not a medical person, I didn't know) They just yanked her in that room before I knew what was happening. It still scares me to think about it. | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 4191 Registered: 9-2006  |
Vivian, Haaaaaaaa! You don't know how much I needed that right now!! Its amazing what God uses to cheer us on! River | ||
| 8thday Registered user Username: 8thday Post Number: 699 Registered: 11-2007  |
A moral dilemma - I was talking to an sda I know about local mexican food. We were both agreeing we like one place's burrito (one I know has lard.) I'm thinking.. they must not be that strict and let a little lard slip once in awhile. So... I ask if they have ever tried this other place which is amazingly good, and she says, "No, I heard they have lard.." Maybe I should have said something... We ALWAYS asked - no matter what. So I'm thinking, if she really wants to know. ha. The last time I asked about lard at this local place we both eat at, the teenage staff had no idea what the difference was between lard and vegetable oil and didn't understand the question. I think they are related to the cashiers at the grocery store who can never seem to tell the difference between a zucchini and a cucumber. =) Glad you came clean on your uncleanness Vivian! Way to go!!!! | ||
| Borninchrist Registered user Username: Borninchrist Post Number: 105 Registered: 1-2009  |
I hate to rain on the Adventist bashing party and you all know by now I am as far away from Adventism as you can throw... but, lets not forget there is such a thing as cholesterol, toxins, growth hormones etc. Unlike SDAs we all know God gave us clearance on the foods we eat and we should not restrict ourselves for that reason, but at the same time let's not put an iv with fat running directly in our veins now... And I'm not just talking about diet, but exercise as well. Our bodies are still the temple of the Holy Spirit. George | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 4194 Registered: 9-2006 |
What? No Possum George? Now that's just down right cruel! You need be more kinder to us christern bruthren if I do say so muself. And what about nicotine, before long you will have me living to be a hunnert in this misery. River | ||
| Bskillet Registered user Username: Bskillet Post Number: 201 Registered: 8-2008 |
I think I'd have to disagree a bit with the use of the 1 Cor 6:19 as a mandate to make health eating a part of God's commands. The context is not diet or health habits, but sexual immorality. Paul does not seem in any way to concern himself with diet in his epistles, except to deal with issues of food offered to idols, and how Christians who eat anything should be sensitive to weaker brethren who only eat vegetables. | ||
| Borninchrist Registered user Username: Borninchrist Post Number: 106 Registered: 1-2009 |
1 Cor 6:13 refers to food as well (or abuse of food I might add)... But this is not what I'm talking about, not commandments of God as a requirement for salvation. I'm just reminding people that eating healthy is a benefit to all of us and dietary recommendations exist outside of the narrow-minded Adventism. Just because we're free we should not go nuts and bring diseases on our heads... and yes, River if you smoke, quit that dirty habit. I'll be on you from now on... George | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 6499 Registered: 3-2004  |
A good, cold beer is very tasty on a hot day. I do not have it that often, but it is good. Diana L | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 4197 Registered: 9-2006 |
Well, I just smoke vegetarian, I don't smoke meat. What does it take to please you formers? | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 2590 Registered: 10-2004  |
George, most scholars agree that the phrase in verse 13 was a common saying (just like the phrase "All things are lawful for me" in verse 12) that the Corinthians were using to justify giving their bodies whatever they lusted for (with regard to sexual immorality). (In fact, these sayings in verses 12 and 13 are put in quotes in the NIV.) The context of the passage is still not talking about food in any way. In fact, Paul says in verse 18: "Flee immorality. Every other sin that a man commits is outside the body, but the immoral man sins against his own body." (1 Corinthians 6:18 NASB.) In fact, in the second half of verse 13, Paul even makes it clear that he is agreeing with them that the food you eat is irrelevant. "Food is for the stomach and the stomach is for food, but God will do away with both of them. Yet the body is not for immorality, but for the Lord, and the Lord is for the body." (1 Corinthians 6:13 NASB.) Here are a couple quotes from Bible commentaries on this verse:
The above quote is from the Jamieson, Fausset & Brown commentary which was published in 1871 (when EGW was writing her nonsense, trying to use 1 Corinthians 6!) This second quote is from David Guzik's commentary:
As Bskillet said, this passage cannot be used as a mandate for eating healthfully, for any religious reasons (even if not for salvation). Eating healthfully may be beneficial to us physically, but it does not affect us spiritually (our spirits), or our spiritual lives. But God never makes it a requirement in Scripture, and the Bible never says that it is a sin to eat unhealthy foods. It is twisting Scripture to suggest that we need to eat healthy foods because our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit. In fact, this passage itself precludes us from suggesting that. Jeremy (Message edited by Jeremy on February 18, 2009) | ||
| Borninchrist Registered user Username: Borninchrist Post Number: 107 Registered: 1-2009 |
You folks are so hyped up from arguing with SDA's that you can't let a bird fly by without shooting it down, while missing my point... I did not say it's a sin to eat certain foods, I did not say it's against God's will, nor did I say our salvation or spirituality depends on it. I thought I was pretty clear in my statement. I simply said, dietary recommendations exist and are commonly accepted by science and society, regardless of Adventism, Judaism or Islam. Just because we're free to eat or drink what we want, let us not abuse our bodies. The benefits of a healthy diet and exercise are physical, precisely and we don't need the bible to prove this point... I didn't bring up 1 Cor 6:19, because I never studied it closely, now that Bskillet and Jeremy clarified things for me I accept your point and stand corrected, the passage seems to refer to sexual immorality. Now, does that give us permission to abuse our bodies and inflict sickness on ourselves with other things (unhealthy foods or habits) as long as we stay away from fornication? I don't think so... As Christians we don't belong to ourselves, God bought us "with a high price", we're His. I feel I have no right to ruin something that is not mine. George | ||
| Grace_alone Registered user Username: Grace_alone Post Number: 1350 Registered: 6-2006  |
George, So far you've accused the rest of the group of being "hyped up from arguing with SDA's" and of "SDA bashing". With all due respect, I don't see that at all. For the first part of the thread you seem to go along with everyone, but then you take a complete turn around, almost sounding hostile. Maybe you don't mean to come off that way? I think we all have our diet issues. Many here laugh about the way they used to think. It's not necessarily bashing as much as it's self deprecating humor. However, those who point out that the SDA doctrines on diet are way off from scripture, it's the truth - nothing personal! Also, I don't see anyone here insisting that the readers take up unhealthy diets. Just because someone says bacon tastes good? Sometimes I get the feeling that "health" is a religion. I've got an SDA family who are all about abstaining from bacon, shellfish, alcohol, etc. Are they better Christians because they do? Since I do indulge in the listed foods, am I being a bad or naughty Christian? I don't think so. Of course it's fine to eat right, exercise and take care of yourself. No one disputes that. But I think the issue here is, Biblically, does scripture support the connection between your diet and loving God, obeying God, and having a relationship with God? Leigh Anne | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 2591 Registered: 10-2004 |
George, it seems that in the second part of your post you are contradicting what you said in the first part. "Now, does that give us permission to abuse our bodies and inflict sickness on ourselves with other things (unhealthy foods or habits) as long as we stay away from fornication? I don't think so..." Then that sounds like you are saying that it's "against God's will" and "sin" to eat "unhealthy foods." We either have "permission" or it's "against God's will." Which is it? Jeremy (Message edited by Jeremy on February 18, 2009) | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 2592 Registered: 10-2004 |
And if we don't have "permission" to eat "unhealthy foods," then how do we know which foods are "unhealthy" or "too unhealthy to have permission to eat"? Who decides? For example, some people say that meats and saturated fat are unhealthy, and some people say that they are healthy. If we don't have permission to eat unhealthy foods, then shouldn't God have told us which foods are unhealthy, and that we thus do not have permission to eat? (Well, the SDAs say He did, through Ellen White!) But wait, God says explicitly in the Bible that we have permission to eat all foods! Jeremy | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 9407 Registered: 12-2003  |
In other words, God has given us full permission to eat what we may call "unhealthy foods". I have spent so much energy in guilt over the years because of things like coffee, even "clean meats" that were supposed not to be as healthful as vegetarianism...I thought for years that meat really was somehow related to cancer. I found that just as I had to completely give up the Sabbath and trust Jesus alone, I also had to trust God's "food permissions" completely and give up my almost-unconscious fears that meat was possibility related to disease. Just FYI—and this information really did begin to give me perspective—Richard knows someone who has been involved for years with the research for the Adventist Health Study. This person told him that they don't publish all the results known about diet and health. Because this study is sponsored by the SDA church, they only publish the results they get from Adventists—and they only use the information that comes in on the self-reporting questionnaires. This person said that it is a known fact that people who do not smoke and who drink only in moderation yet do eat meat (emphasizing non-red meat but not eliminating it) have the same life-span advantages as vegetarian Adventists. You know, they've lied to us about other things—and they're not telling the truth in their health study, either... Colleen | ||
| Animal Registered user Username: Animal Post Number: 404 Registered: 7-2008  |
Adventists lie??? shocking indeed !!!! ha ha ha ha | ||
| Jeremiah Registered user Username: Jeremiah Post Number: 423 Registered: 1-2004  |
What kind of food we eat probably doesn't matter, though I'm pretty sure the Bible says something about how much! There are times for feasting and times for fasting. Or at least there were - depending on your perspective. Some may not agree that Christians brought feasting and fasting over from the Jews. Jeremiah | ||
| Teresa Registered user Username: Teresa Post Number: 15 Registered: 10-2006 |
The bottom line is we are not to judge anyone on what they eat or drink. Read Romans 12. | ||
| Borninchrist Registered user Username: Borninchrist Post Number: 108 Registered: 1-2009 |
Leigh Anne, if I offended you or anyone else with my tone, I am sorry. I must be very unclear with the way I express myself. Perhaps this is why some people above felt the need to put words in my mouth, words I didn't say... I go along with everyone here, I eat bacon and shellfish, and there are no restrictions in my household when it comes to food, at least not from a biblical perspective and certainly not from EGW perspective. We all understand that Christians are not under these regulations outlined in the OC Law. But I also draw a conclusion (personally) from the NT that God wants me to take care of my body. In my opinion proper diet and exercise go hand in hand and I've been saying this from the beginning. Everyone is free to make their own choices and follow their own rules on how to keep healthy. I don't base my decisions on what Adventists teach, I never said that... There are plenty of books out there written by doctors, dietitians and trainers, who may or may not even be Christians. This is what I base my decision on, when choosing what to buy and what to cook in my kitchen. It's not about following SDA recommendations, heck I didn't even follow these when I was SDA for the past 5 years. It's not about judging anyone, it's about loving people and wanting them to be healthy. See, I'm after River now to quit smoking... Hey, I may be a health and fitness freak, and rubbing some people the wrong way with it, but please don't call me a legalist, because I'm not. Now if you excuse me I'll go have a glass of fine Niagara wine and go to bed. George (Message edited by borninchrist on February 18, 2009) |
