| Author | Message | ||
| Skeeter Registered user Username: Skeeter Post Number: 826 Registered: 12-2007 |
I like this post.... So much to the point it made me wonder if it was a FAF who posted it. (?) " Re: Report: Ted N. C. Wilson shares his priorities for the ... On June 28th, 2010 Magdalena says: What bothers we most about what Ted Wilson said is his strong assumption that we are not just any church, but God's remnant church. I know, we keep God's commandments and the testimony of Jesus.... really, all of them? What about my own Adventist church in Germany congratulating Hitler in 1933 after his election and throwing out Jewish Adventists after that, simply because they were Jews? Does this mean keeping God's commandments? What about racial segregation in the 1960's in our Adventist schools in the U.S.- was that in tune with God's commandment of "loving thy neighbour as thyself"? What about Ruanda - and the Adventist leader convicted of killing or helping to kill hundreds of Tutsis during the 90's? Great that he kept the Sabbath, but does not another commandment say "Thou shalt not kill"? Don't get me wrong, I hope that Adventists will make a great part of God's remnant people. But in the light of what happened in the past in this church, and assuming we are all sinful humans (me included), I consider it a bit arrogant to state WE ARE God's remnant, just because of our theological understanding of God's commandmands. Only those who are doers of God's will will be part of God's remnant, to my understanding no matter what denomination they're in. " I also like this one :" On June 27th, 2010 Tatanka says: Spread a thicker layer of "EggWhite" on your crackers and hold on as he moves the church deeper into sectarianism! Romans 3:24 " Francie | ||
| Bskillet Registered user Username: Bskillet Post Number: 719 Registered: 8-2008 |
What about the continued racial apartheid in the Adventist conference system, with regular conferences for whites and regional conferences for minorities? | ||
| Gcfrankie Registered user Username: Gcfrankie Post Number: 685 Registered: 1-2007 |
This is just the reason I left the SDA church the first time for 20 yrs. This cramming EGW down everyones throat who were not raised on her is what turns people away from them. It sounds like they are headed in reverse of going back where EGW will be elevated above Gods' word like they were back in the 70's. What I remember hearing is EGW says instead of the bible says. | ||
| Hec Registered user Username: Hec Post Number: 1131 Registered: 3-2009 |
I understood that African-Americans were the ones who wanted their separate conferences for evangelistic purposes. Hec | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 8318 Registered: 3-2004  |
EGW was crammed down my throat in school and college in So CA. It was very historical growing up there. It became liberal after I left it. Of course at the time I did not consider it cramming. Diana L | ||
| Gorancroatia Registered user Username: Gorancroatia Post Number: 21 Registered: 6-2010 |
I think you barking at wrong tree here... Sda never claims to be innocent for any act of breaking the Law. There are always groups and even local Sdas organizations which commit crimes. The difference is that SDA never officially in the level of General Conference, changes or proclaim to be vain any or all of Gods Law. On the other hand RC officially claims the authority to change Gods Law and that claim is in every Catechism.SDA do break the Law and for that reason there is advocate Jesus in Heavenly Sanctuary.Life without Jesus interceding before God is in eschatology, some special issue when Jesus travels to our planet and leaves Sanctuary for that reason, then interceding stops. | ||
| Oceanblue Registered user Username: Oceanblue Post Number: 13 Registered: 5-2010 |
@Hec I've heard that said to me in numerous occasions when I've asked ministers as to why do we have separate conferences. To be fair, I've never asked someone from the African-American Conference. The other excuse I've heard is that if the conferences were merged many people would lose their jobs. A flimsy excuse to not do what's right, imho. | ||
| Seekr777 Registered user Username: Seekr777 Post Number: 897 Registered: 1-2003  |
I have occasion to be in different Black/African-American SDA churches, more in the past then presently and . . . they are the ones who have requested and been given a separate department within the local conference of SDA churches. Here in S. CA they are in the regular conference but have a different Ministerial Sec. who is in charge of their churches. ie: a different department within the conference. Back east I understand it is a separate conference with overlapping territory. | ||
| Yenc Registered user Username: Yenc Post Number: 172 Registered: 6-2008 |
The separate black "Regional Conferences" were formed because as a minority, black leadership opportunities and other advantages were too limited within the regular, mostly white conferences. Rather than being a way of putting the black churches even lower and having less influence, the regional Conferences allowed them to select leaders from within their ranks, have more autonomy rather than being hopelessly in the shadow of the much more populous and influential white churches. I have been privileged to visit as a guest in black SDA Churches, and I could see from their style of worship why the black people needed and wanted their own churches. Don't be so quick to criticize and "blame," jumping to conclusions when you don't really understand the situation. | ||
| Hec Registered user Username: Hec Post Number: 1138 Registered: 3-2009 |
The Spanish also have "Spanish Secretaries" as a different department within the regular conferences. I can understand this a little better since there are many Spanish speaking immigrants who do not speak English. Hec | ||
| Helovesme2 Registered user Username: Helovesme2 Post Number: 2454 Registered: 8-2004  |
The southern 'Black conferences' were formed at least partly in response to EGW's counsel that whites could teach blacks but that blacks should not teach whites - and that it was better for whites to teach blacks to minister to 'their own kind'. | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 11406 Registered: 12-2003  |
Indeed, she did say that, Mary. Then, ironically, her older son Edson spent years doing "Southern Work". Last summer when we were on the Tour of Encouragement and were staying with a former Adventist couple who have roots planted deeply and for generations in "Black Adventism", we were shown (ha!) at least three books written by AFrican-Americans who wrote genealogical histories of EGW. There is quite a bit of evidence to suggest she herself had "colored blood" and had African-derived people in her family tree. I left the South with a persistent question that won't go away—especially after spending some time with those books. At the James White Library on the Andrews campus, in the heritage area of the library, is a collection of photos of EGW and her family. There is a picture of her father—a rather shocking-looking man with hard eyes—but there is a placard that says there is no picture available of her mother. Now, there are pics of her sister, etc etc...but none of her mother. I have harbored a question as to whether her mother might have more clearly "shown" the African-American legacy of the gene pool. For sure there have been many remarks—certainly among the African-American community—of EGWs own features that seem to reflect a possible African-American heritage. I certainly do not have the answer to these persistent questions, but there is some interesting history with resultant speculations, for sure! Colleen | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 3261 Registered: 10-2004  |
No matter what the reason is for the segregated conferences (and, as Mary said, EGW's racist rules are certainly part of it), it's just plain wrong and not Biblical by any stretch of the imagination (of course the whole religion is false, so it can't even be compared to the Christian church, but you get my point). Jeremy | ||
| Joyfulheart Registered user Username: Joyfulheart Post Number: 711 Registered: 10-2006 |
Amen. | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 8325 Registered: 3-2004 |
Another AMEN!!! Diana L | ||
| Dennis Registered user Username: Dennis Post Number: 2049 Registered: 4-2000  |
It is largely the current Regional Conference leaders who keep finding additional reasons for their continued existence. Like in any human organization, leaders don't want to give up their authority, incomes, positions, and original reason for existence (even if the original purpose is no longer valid or has been satisfied). Members of obsolete committees, organizations, and task forces have a way of finding unique ways to keep their pockets padded beyond actual usefulness. Dennis Fischer | ||
| Yenc Registered user Username: Yenc Post Number: 176 Registered: 6-2008 |
I think it would be hard to discern any inherited racial characteristics from her horribly disfigured facial structure. But if any of her descendants had DNA tests . . .??? Helovesme2 (Mary???) Do you have references for the info on your 8:58am post? I'd like to read that! It seems interesting, and I wonder just when it was written, especially with regard to the Civil War and Reconstruction. | ||
| Helovesme2 Registered user Username: Helovesme2 Post Number: 2456 Registered: 8-2004 |
It was in relation to reconstruction. I'll have to do some looking to find the actual quotes. | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 3262 Registered: 10-2004 |
Yenc, You can find those quotes (and others) on my webpage here: http://www.cultorchristian.com/egwbigotry.html Jeremy | ||
| Helovesme2 Registered user Username: Helovesme2 Post Number: 2458 Registered: 8-2004 |
Thank you Jeremy. These two from your page are the ones I was thinking of:
|
