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| Goodday2u Registered user Username: Goodday2u Post Number: 88 Registered: 2-2012 |
Check out the article (especially the last few paragraphs) called "Christ in You the Hope of Glory" on pp. 2-3 by Jay Gallimore in the President's Perspective section of the April 2015 SDA Michigan Memo. His misunderstanding of and false teaching about justification is quite amazing--straight from the pen of EGW. He says it is possible to become sinless and stand without the intercession of Christ. Heresy! http://www.misda.org/site/1/docs/Communication/Michigan%20Memo/2015/April%20MEMO.pdf If the above link doesn't work, try this one: http://www.misda.org/article/217/member-services/church-outreach/communications/michigan-memo-archives | ||
| Taluur Registered user Username: Taluur Post Number: 54 Registered: 8-2012 |
Heresy, indeed! I asked an SDA last year to please show me from the Bible alone that God is going to vindicate Himself to the universe, His creation, through His creatures sinlessly obeying the law. No response was given. The point was made, I hope, that such a concept comes from Ellen White and not the Bible. | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 15109 Registered: 12-2003  |
Oh, my goodness. That is just horrible! If anyone doubts Adventism is a cult, this article should remove all doubt. God is so gracious to have rescued us! Colleen | ||
| Freedom55 Registered user Username: Freedom55 Post Number: 101 Registered: 3-2008 |
And here I thought the last generation theology had died out, but to see it advocated by a Conference President shows that it's not only alive & well in the SDA church but permeates the organization all the way to the top! Thanks for posting this link as it confirms the cult status of the SDA church. | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 15111 Registered: 12-2003 |
Yes. Nothing has changed. Only the window dressing alters as the decades pass... Colleen | ||
| Mjcmcook Registered user Username: Mjcmcook Post Number: 1737 Registered: 2-2011  |
Do you think the "window dressing alters," because the 'Darkness' deepens? ~mj~ | ||
| Psalm107v2 Registered user Username: Psalm107v2 Post Number: 902 Registered: 10-2008  |
Desmond Ford came to understand that the IJ was false because of his love for the book of Hebrews. There are all kinds of truth about the sanctuary in that book but what got my attention and helped me leave the SDA church is the truth that we can never be sinless and that because we cannot, "He ever lives to make intercession for us" Heb 7:25. What kind of weight does the SDA church want people to carry around? Jesus died, paid it all BUT their doctrine wants to lay it all back on me again. My God has other plans and I'm glad He does. | ||
| Mjcmcook Registered user Username: Mjcmcook Post Number: 1739 Registered: 2-2011 |
JESUS Did Pay It All !!! Last night at our churches Good Friday Service, my daughter ( a 'Former'!) sang with the 'Praise & Worship Team' a more modern version of "Jesus Paid it All," the hymn I remember from childhood! I would sing it with my Nana (who was blind) as she played it on the piano~ Color me with a few tears! Here is a link if you would like to hear the song. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38EVco7eba0 ~mj~ | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 15115 Registered: 12-2003 |
MJ, what a wonderful gift for you on Good Friday! I just can't get over how much Easter and Passion Week have changed for me. Just in case you didn't see it, here is a link to a blog post on the Proclamation blog site that I wrote about Easter and Passion Week: http://blog.lifeassuranceministries.org/2015/04/02/reflections-during-passion-week-and-easter/ Colleen | ||
| Islander Registered user Username: Islander Post Number: 136 Registered: 4-2014 |
Colleen, your summry pretty much mirrors mine. The religious aspect of Easter was totally out but I got to have Easter lunch with my Lutheran cousins so long as I didn't eat the ham and kept to the egghunt. But, any reference to Jesus having paid the ultimate price for my sins would have been considered blasphomy to my immediate family. I am dealing with this issue now with relatives. They prefer their grandchildren learn nothing about Jesus than to learn about Him in a "Sunday keeping" church or at Easter. Frustrates the heebee jeebees out of me. I implore a personal disapline during Lent and attend Moundey (sp?) service, Good Friday service,the whole nine yards.Why? Because it helps me say focused on the Holy One and I realize that extra time to focus is spiritually empowering. I keep the focus on prayer. Thanks for the articles. | ||
| Resjudicata Registered user Username: Resjudicata Post Number: 493 Registered: 4-2014 |
Adventism= "Resurrection Denial." That is why they fixate on the Second Coming. They reject the idea that He never left. Notice how they aim their ire exclusively on the chocolate Easter bunnies, instead of the Resurrection that is actually the overwhelming subject of Easter? | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 15119 Registered: 12-2003 |
Interesting sentence, Res: "They reject the idea that He never left." Very well stated. They further reject the fact that we are literally brought to life by His resurrection life when we believe (Rom. 5:10; Jn 5:24; Col 1:13). Adventism denies Life, and its practices confirm this fact. (Consider their abortion statistics.) Colleen | ||
| Goodday2u Registered user Username: Goodday2u Post Number: 92 Registered: 2-2012 |
It is interesting to think about the various SDA "window dressings." I remember Colleen saying once that Adventism has "different flavors." I know, for me, that upon first attending SDA church services after joining due to attending an off-site Revelation/prophecy seminar, I was immediately alarmed and thought "what in the world have we gotten ourselves into." However, one person in the church befriended me and introduced me to those in the church who promoted a "different flavor" than historic Adventism and this is what served to lull me into a sense of false security regarding Adventism. The "thirty-one flavors" are poison indeed. | ||
| Carracio Registered user Username: Carracio Post Number: 53 Registered: 3-2014 |
'He says it is possible to become sinless and stand without the intercession of Christ.' Sorry, but I don't read that anywhere? Can you qoute it? | ||
| Resjudicata Registered user Username: Resjudicata Post Number: 517 Registered: 4-2014 |
"By wiping sin out of our affections, He wipes its power out of our lives. Thus He prepares us to live after the close of probation when there is no more intercession for sin." | ||
| Capross Registered user Username: Capross Post Number: 130 Registered: 7-2012 |
In light of Romans 7 and 8. I do not believe we are sinless. He has changed our attitude toward sin and is continueing to change us. All glory goes to God and none to us. He is doing it all. I am a wretched man who is being rescued by God through Jesus Christ "Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus". | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 15139 Registered: 12-2003 |
Yes, Capross. Romans 7 is clear that we still live with "a law of sin in [our] members", yet Paul is equally clear in Romans 6 that we have died to sin when we are alive in Christ. The "real us" that lives inside our mortal tents (as per 2 Cor 5:1-9) is dead to sin, but we inhabit still-mortal flesh that still has a "law of sin" in it. This reality requires us to learn to live by the Spirit (Romans 8). We submit our temptations and desires to the Lord Jesus and yield our impulses to Him. We surrender our fleshly lusts and weaknesses to Him and allow Him to care for us and to equip us to live for Him instead of indulging ourselves. And as you said, "Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus" (Rom. 8:1). Praise God! Colleen | ||
| Asurprise Registered user Username: Asurprise Post Number: 3494 Registered: 7-2007 |
Carracio; it's in EGWs book "The Great Controversy" in the 24th chapter called: "In the Holy of Holies." She says: "Those who are living upon the earth when the intercession of Christ shall cease in the sanctuary above are to stand in the sight of a holy God without a mediator. Their robes must be spotless, their characters must be purified from sin by the blood of sprinkling. Through the grace of God and their own diligent effort they must be conquerors in the battle with evil. While the investigative judgment is going forward in heaven, while the sins of penitent believers are being removed from the sanctuary, there is to be a special work of purification, of putting away of sin, among God's people upon earth." | ||
| Paxel Registered user Username: Paxel Post Number: 30 Registered: 8-2011  |
Funny i do believe EGW was happy with the book pilgrims progress but apparently the part with "wordly wiseman " went right over her head. |
