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Nowisee
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Username: Nowisee
Post Number: 1379
Registered: 5-2009
| | Posted on Friday, August 16, 2013 - 2:07 pm: |     |
Wow! The quote you posted, Kbuhler, blew me away! I don't ever remember reading that, but it answers so many questions for me.
Carolyn--everything you said is so right on! (Thank you for saying Ellen taught stuff from the pit of hell.) Colleen, wonderfully helpful insight. And, Rita, what you shared was so helpful & powerful. This is such an important subject/discussion!! Maybe we even could have an article using that EGW quote to help us unpack this junk we were taught. Phil, men are "fearless" when they can cry...give Jan a hug for me & then keep one for yourself. Praying for us all as we receive insight & support from each other & continue to ask God to show us reality, as He faithfully heals us.
I just have to say this---saying that "giving oneself up to sorrow" is unChristian & unGodly is just nasty! Her angel guide was an angel all right, an angel who had fallen & was doing the bidding of the father of lies. G-r-r
I have a friend from academy who finally shared with me that her father beat her mother the whole time I knew them-1st to 12th grade. (We graduated in 1966) I attended many Sabbath lunches, vespers, pool parties there, & lots of sleep-overs, but she never told me until we were both in our 60s. It was very well hidden & I had no idea. I then shared that my grandfather beat my grandmother (not to mention his numerous adulterous affairs).She had no idea, either. He was a big wheel in the church, trustee at LL, etc. I just wanted to "un-hide" this because of this discussion.
And Charles, thanks for the link!! |
Kbuhler
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Username: Kbuhler
Post Number: 35
Registered: 4-2013
| | Posted on Saturday, August 17, 2013 - 10:38 am: | |
Sorry I didn't give address. Read Selected Messages 2 pages 266 to 268. She is writing to a woman who lost her husband and encouraging her not to grieve. Horrid! Now I know why my Mom would not let herself grieve my Dad's death. She kept propping herself up with "I will see him again in the resurrection"
I just had her in my home recently for 2 weeks, and tried to talk about her need to get more help...even offering her to live with me. But her standard response..."I will not let myself think one negative thought" (I will not face the reality of my declining abilities) Sigh........ |
Mjcmcook
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Username: Mjcmcook
Post Number: 1178
Registered: 2-2011
| | Posted on Saturday, August 17, 2013 - 12:49 pm: | |
Kathy~
Thank-you for your post #35 that gives the chapter and verse on the quote from "egw" regarding her idea
that it is "sin" to grieve with weeping and even wailing, if you will, over death~
And furthermore, her idea that negative emotions should be held in, and not expressed~
~mj~ |
Jrt
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Username: Jrt
Post Number: 1324
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Sunday, August 18, 2013 - 1:48 pm: | |
Rita,
Thank you for sharing your experiences!! I agree with you that to withhold feelings can be lethal. And there is MUCH scientific evidence to validate that the body remembers and there will be somatic repercussions for repressing emotions.
It would be interesting to have a scientific study done on Adventists and their emotional health.
Thank you, Rita, for your validating thoughts. I am sorry for what you have endured ....
Kbuhler - thank you for the reference for the EGW quote!! I, too, am sorry, for the experiences you have suffered and the lack of validation for understandable and definitely justifiable emotions. Emotions are neither good nor bad ... just what you do with them is important as Rita mentions above - Do we use our emotions to attack others or isolate ourselves from those who can support us.
Good discussion and so valuable.
Carolyn |
1john2v27nlt
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Username: 1john2v27nlt
Post Number: 499
Registered: 5-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, August 18, 2013 - 5:04 pm: | |
Carolyn,
It is good to know that others understand & benefit from my sharing. It's risky to share & put my name to it. I believe that we need to do so for the sake of freedom!
I am now glad for what I've been through. . . in that I have been given the help I needed & am becoming more & more free to state things & share with others. Just as it took awhile for me to be able to call sdaism a cult, it has taken awhile for me to say that what happened to me is that I had a nervous breakdown.
My mother, & mother-in-law in particular did not live in the times or the places where the kind of help I got were available or socially acceptable. I feel a bit like Abraham, in that he was worshiping other gods in the land of Ur when God led him out. I got the help I needed in an sda treatment setting -- the only thing & place I would have trusted at that time. Ultimately God has revealed himself & truth to me & led me to freedom & belief in Jesus Christ.
Colleen, what you said about making our parents look good & not present them with the trouble of unpleasant emotions has been so true for me as well. No doubt a 'side effect' of sdaism.
I appreciate so many who come here & get real, sharing the truly hard times, getting vulnerable, baring all. There is HOPE & help!!
Rita |
Philharris
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Username: Philharris
Post Number: 2900
Registered: 5-2007
| | Posted on Sunday, August 18, 2013 - 5:31 pm: | |
Rita you said:
quote:I feel a bit like Abraham, in that he was worshiping other gods in the land of Ur when God led him out.
Could you quote from Scripture where it says Abram worshipped other gods in the Land of Ur?
Fearless Phil |
1john2v27nlt
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Username: 1john2v27nlt
Post Number: 500
Registered: 5-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, August 18, 2013 - 8:55 pm: | |
Phil, I misquoted -- it says 'beyond the Euphrates' -- it's in Joshua 24:2-3
quote:
Joshua said to the people, “This is what the Lord, the God of Israel, says: Long ago your ancestors, including Terah, the father of Abraham and Nahor, lived beyond the Euphrates River,[a] and they worshiped other gods. 3 But I took your ancestor Abraham from the land beyond the Euphrates and led him into the land of Canaan. I gave him many descendants through his son Isaac.
~Rita |
Philharris
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Post Number: 2901
Registered: 5-2007
| | Posted on Sunday, August 18, 2013 - 9:54 pm: | |
Rita,
Thanks!
Fearless Phil |
1john2v27nlt
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Username: 1john2v27nlt
Post Number: 501
Registered: 5-2009
| | Posted on Monday, August 19, 2013 - 7:33 am: | |
Phil,
I'm wondering why you wanted to know that quote? wondering if your thinking is anything like mine was.
It hit me with a sort of a jolt when I noticed it because somehow I had the idea that Abraham, the Father of our Faith, ALWAYS worshiped the one true God, even in that distant land. I had him pictured as sort of an Enoch-who-was-translated type of person, always knowing God, never worshiping false gods.
When I read the bible for myself, I also noticed that Faithful Abraham was a repeat liar, & fearful (if not cowardly, hiding behind his wife, telling her to lie to save himself). YET he never turned from the one true God, never went back to worshiping the false gods. He was faithful, & he believed God.
Amazing, & encouraging!
Rita |
Philharris
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Username: Philharris
Post Number: 2902
Registered: 5-2007
| | Posted on Monday, August 19, 2013 - 11:42 am: | |
Rita,
My reason for asking was really simple. You said something I didn't know and I wanted to read the Scripture for myself. I was also greatly encouraged to see your own understanding of God's word.
For our devotions this morning we (Jan & myself) were in Gen. chapter 18. Abraham and Sarah had many shortcomings and they both laughed at God. Yet, this is when God was faithful in a gentle loving way.
Thanks again for you insight.
Fearless Phil |
1john2v27nlt
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Post Number: 503
Registered: 5-2009
| | Posted on Monday, August 19, 2013 - 12:32 pm: | |
That's neat Berean Fearless Phil! I like that, alot. I do the same thing for the same reason.
What it seems to me is that God does not require perfection from flawed weak human beings. He does require marital fidelity -- no prostituting ourselves to other gods. It is so good to read of the heroes of the bible -- they had MESSY lives, marriages, & families. None were perfect. The Kings of the Hebrews were counted 'good' or 'evil' according to whether they whole-heartedly (like David) followed God, believing, trusting, obeying -- or turning away from Him to worship other gods. David was a sinning lawbreaker, yet a man after God's own heart. He never turned from God to gods.
Thanking God for the insight He has given! |
Nowisee
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Username: Nowisee
Post Number: 1387
Registered: 5-2009
| | Posted on Friday, August 23, 2013 - 4:31 pm: | |
I kind of think we were taught that by EGW because so many former/current SDAs believe that...I know I did until I read those verses in Joshua. |
Asurprise
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Username: Asurprise
Post Number: 3182
Registered: 7-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, August 24, 2013 - 11:40 am: | |
Just like at that first Passover when the difference between the households where the eldest was spared and and where the eldest was killed, was simply whether or not the blood was on the door; so salvation is the same way - those with the Blood of Jesus on their hearts will be saved and those without it will be lost.
Because of Ellen White's teaching, SDAs have it totally wrong. They believe the way to be saved is to be in the process of overcoming sin through Jesus' strength! |
Colleentinker
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Post Number: 14569
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 27, 2013 - 6:19 pm: | |
Very good point, Asurprise.
Colleen |
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