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| Freeatlast Registered user Username: Freeatlast Post Number: 891 Registered: 5-2002  |
This story is going to have the Adventist health gospelites choking on their Stripples: http://www.today.com/food/its-got-be-crispy-woman-105-says-bacon-key-longevity-1C9846050?ocid=msnhp&pos=5 For what it is worth, my English grandmother also lived to 106 drinking several cups of tea every day of her life. | ||
| Jonvil Registered user Username: Jonvil Post Number: 676 Registered: 4-2007 |
WELL...WELL...Oh yeah! just think how long she would live if she didn't eat bacon | ||
| Lyrical Registered user Username: Lyrical Post Number: 180 Registered: 4-2012 |
Jonvil... Bahahahaha... that's funny! :-) | ||
| Asurprise Registered user Username: Asurprise Post Number: 3085 Registered: 7-2007 |
Here's something Ellen White said about narcotics, that your grandmother must not have known! *wink!*  "And all should bear clear testimony against tea and coffee, never using them. They are narcotics, injurious alike to the brain and to the other organs of the body." I found this on the E.G. White estate web site after typing in: "narcotics tea and coffee." (This was in "Counsels on Diet and Foods" pg. 402 - but I don't know if this is the hard cover or not, so if you're looking for the quote in the book, go to the back where it has various terms she uses and look up "narcotics" or "tea" or "coffee.") (Message edited by Asurprise on May 10, 2013) | ||
| Punababe808 Registered user Username: Punababe808 Post Number: 434 Registered: 4-2012 |
EGW's book Council on Diet and Foods is a totally loony book. She also says in there to not mix sugar and dairy. What? SDA's according to that should not have Frosted Flakes with milk for breakfast or drink milkshakes and so on. Do not ever look to Ellen White for health and nutrition advice or for Biblical y.understanding about any topic or subject you can think of. | ||
| Asurprise Registered user Username: Asurprise Post Number: 3087 Registered: 7-2007 |
She also wrote that eating meat brings out the "animal passions" and that it weakens a person. Didn't she know that God commanded Israel to eat the Passover lamb each year? Jesus went to the cross immediately after eating the Passover meal. It didn't deplete His strength! Also I have the impression from childhood that we were taught that Daniel and his friends ate a vegatarian diet rather than eat the king's food. Were we really taught that, or am I remembering wrong? (Message edited by Asurprise on May 10, 2013) | ||
| Punababe808 Registered user Username: Punababe808 Post Number: 435 Registered: 4-2012 |
Yes. We were taught Daniel was vegetarian. | ||
| Butterfly_poette Registered user Username: Butterfly_poette Post Number: 312 Registered: 5-2011  |
I do know that bacon does have lots of cholesterol and fat. Maybe this woman has good genes? I do know that some people do have genes who can eat lots of cholesterol-laden food and not get heart disease. Many French people have those genes. I do also think her attitude is what helped her live so long as well. She stayed active. The mind is powerful. Yet I do think that SDA was overrated with the vegetarianism and other health stuff. There was no reason to be fanatical. Yes, meat-eaters and coffee and tea drinkers do live long lives sometimes. | ||
| Angel9 Registered user Username: Angel9 Post Number: 6 Registered: 5-2013 |
I agree, Butterfly... And what's interesting to me, is how you won't see meat at most SDA's potlucks - but how about all that dairy (ice cream, etc.) and CHEESE! Most of the potlucks I've seen have mainly dishes filled with cheese. Even the salads. So they talk about EGW's vegetarian 'no meat' diet, but they ignore her warnings about dairy. Go figure... | ||
| Raven Registered user Username: Raven Post Number: 1233 Registered: 7-2004  |
Cholesterol in foods and naturally-occuring fats are not the bad guys and do not cause heart disease. Here's a link explaining why cholesterol found in foods is necessary and good for you, and that a high-carb/low cholesterol diet actually makes your body internally over-produce its own cholesterol. http://www.primalbody-primalmind.com/?p=12 For those who have time and interest in watching a 2 hour presentation on the role of healthy fats in the diet and why it's good for your heart, here's a link to "The Oiling of America" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvKdYUCUca8. There are charts showing what the data really said versus how it was officially presented in order to fool the medical community and everyone else into thinking animal fats are bad for you. Here is the subtitle of the Oiling of America video: "How the Vegetable Oil Industry Demonized Nutritious Animal Fats and Destroyed the American Food Supply." Fascinating information; there are dangerous lies everywhere, not found just in the SDA church and other cults. (Message edited by Raven on May 12, 2013) | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 10003 Registered: 3-2004  |
The only fats I eat now are coconut oil, extra virgin olive oil, real butter(I stay away from margarine of all kinds) and avocados. I am losing weight using these things. Diana | ||
| Raven Registered user Username: Raven Post Number: 1234 Registered: 7-2004 |
I don't think EGW got one thing right, not even the "health message." | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 14422 Registered: 12-2003  |
Raven, I agree totally. She was just plain WRONG. She led people down a twisted road of unreality, and that off-centered twist warps Adventists without their being conscious of it. Colleen | ||
| Punababe808 Registered user Username: Punababe808 Post Number: 439 Registered: 4-2012 |
Coconut oil is excellent for giving a massage. It's very soothing on the skin and takes only about a teaspoon. | ||
| Colossians2v8 Registered user Username: Colossians2v8 Post Number: 174 Registered: 4-2012 |
About Daniel, I have never understood how so many people could not realize the simple fact that the "Daniel Fast" was a testimony of God's sustaining power! The servant whose job is was to keep people nourished/healthy with food, had to be convinced. | ||
| 1john2v27nlt Registered user Username: 1john2v27nlt Post Number: 467 Registered: 5-2009 |
Regarding Daniel, chapter 10 v 3 tells us that Daniel was not a vegetarian teetotaler all his life. So it can't be due to health. At the time Daniel refused ALL the king's meat & drink. The rest of the bible tells believers not to eat meat offered to idols. It seems that when Daniel had control over his own food, then he did eat meat & drink wine. But that is not how egw, Uncle Arthur, or Aunt Sue & Uncle Dan tell the story. | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 14430 Registered: 12-2003 |
And of course Adventism would present Daniel as strong because of his "obedience" to be "vegetarian". Sigh. Adventists won't see it primarily as a testimony of God's sustaining power because they actively teach that we are only bodies, and our health and effectiveness is entirely dependent upon how we care for our bodies and the food we put in. Remember how Adventism taught us about Daniel? They mentioned that they were stronger and healthier, but they emphasized that they were smarter and brighter and could out-wisdom the wise men. For Adventists, the story was focussed on their mental superiority. That mental superiority was THE reason for vegetarianism. We had to have clear minds so we could "hear" the Holy Spirit and understand "truth". So, so gnostic... Colleen | ||
| Freeatlast Registered user Username: Freeatlast Post Number: 892 Registered: 5-2002 |
The SDA "Daniel Doctrine" is yet one more example of how Adventism diminishes the miraculous power of God. The way Adventism embellishes the Daniel story cheats God out of His miracle with Daniel and the others in favor of its dietary mantra of vegetarianism. Another SDA "Diet Doctrine" that comes to mind is Jesus turning water into grape juice rather than into wine. Well, what is more miraclulous, turning water into something fresh or turning water into something that had already been fermented for some time? Adventism discounts God's supernatural power again in order to uplift its dietary mantra of teetotalism. Here's another... Jesus fasted and went without water for 40 days. It should have killed Him in less than a week but He was obviously sustained by the power of God. Adventism turns a Divine miracle into a self-serving "victory over appetite" story. No God miracle here, folks, keep the line moving, you too can gain victory over your appetite. Blech. | ||
| Philharris Registered user Username: Philharris Post Number: 2863 Registered: 5-2007  |
Generally speaking this thread seems to be about eating healthy so you can live a long productive life. This reminds me of a story. Years ago my doctor asked if there was any history of heart disease in my family. I said well dad and all eight of his siblings died of that. He responded by saying “well, we are going to do something about that”. Well my cholesterol and tri-glycerides are so healthy now the doctor a few years ago said “well, if you live long enough all men will get prostate cancer”. Now that I have lived longer than most Harris men I am wondering if the medical profession is saving me up for an extended future struggle fighting cancer instead of going out with a big bang like my dad did. Actually, I truly attempt to live and eat healthy but live knowing the Lord may very well call me home at any time. I have only asked the Lord for one favor, that I be around long enough to look after my dear wife of 46 years. It just boggles me to know Adventist place so much importance on health issues when Scripture teaches it adds nothing to you spirituality or righteousness, all the while ignoring Scripture in favor of the wacky ramblings of Old Ellen. Fearless Phil | ||
| Philharris Registered user Username: Philharris Post Number: 2864 Registered: 5-2007 |
PS I eat lots of bacon. Fearless Phil | ||
| Psalm107v2 Registered user Username: Psalm107v2 Post Number: 890 Registered: 10-2008  |
Thank-God for bacon and the "testimony" of this woman who outlived EGW and has a sunny disposition | ||
| Sharon3 Registered user Username: Sharon3 Post Number: 197 Registered: 2-2010 |
I believe The Daniel Plan from Saddleback is a vegetarian plan. If so, Does Rick Warren understand the Old and New Covenants? | ||
| Sharon3 Registered user Username: Sharon3 Post Number: 198 Registered: 2-2010 |
I believe The Daniel Plan from Saddleback is a vegetarian plan. If so, Does Rick Warren understand the Old and New Covenants? | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 14438 Registered: 12-2003 |
Very good question, Sharon. Colleen | ||
| Annikahansen Registered user Username: Annikahansen Post Number: 16 Registered: 2-2013 |
Well, it's been documented that good ol' vegan/vegetarians products from good ol' Worthington and Morningstar are actually made from GMO grains and soy. (Well, non-fermented soy and grains aren't exactly that healthy anyway. I FARE a LOT BETTER on paleo diet than the so-called "vegan/vegetarian" diet.) So much for SDA the health message. Now I'm gonna give some pot-bellied pigs some nice belly rubs. |
