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| Freeatlast Registered user Username: Freeatlast Post Number: 846 Registered: 5-2002  |
My cousin's film, "Seventh-Gay Adventists" will be screening at the La Sierra Church at 3:00 on Saturday. You can find more information here: http://lsuchurch.org/filmscreening | ||
| Asurprise Registered user Username: Asurprise Post Number: 2877 Registered: 7-2007 |
We are all born sinners. So, in effect they might as well be saying: "Since, we all have the sin DNA inside us, lets celebrate our sin! Some of us have bad tempers - lets celebrate that! Some of us are prone to alcoholism - lets celebrate being drunk! Some of us have homicidal tendencies - lets include the murderers in our midst and not judge them! Some of us sleep with our step-mothers - let's not judge them either!" (What a church should do about people deliberately living in sin is spelled out in 1st Corinthians 5:1-6, specifically naming that last sin.) | ||
| Asurprise Registered user Username: Asurprise Post Number: 2878 Registered: 7-2007 |
But then, I guess I shouldn't be surprised. Since the Adventist church lacks the Holy Spirit, they would also lack discernment. No wonder they've embraced abortion and now are starting to embrace homosexuality! | ||
| Freeatlast Registered user Username: Freeatlast Post Number: 847 Registered: 5-2002 |
The film is not Adventist. It takes no position on the matter, rather, it presents three Aventist homosexual couples and documents their struggle to reconcile their Adventist experience with their relational experience. I am not advocating for homosexuality or Adventism, just for people to see my cousin's excellent documentary. | ||
| Asurprise Registered user Username: Asurprise Post Number: 2881 Registered: 7-2007 |
Oh, I was thinking that the film was Adventist. It wouldn't have surprised me after knowing that they do abortions and that some Andrews University students went on a tour - I think to a Muslim country - and went into a mosque and bowed down to worship! (I think that last was in an Andrews University magazine or paper.) And then there was that article in "Adventist World" where a Muslim leader was told in "visions" to work with Adventists because they're "already God's people." http://www.adventistworld.org/article/708/resources/english/issue-2010-1002/adventists-and-muslims-five-convictions | ||
| Lyrical Registered user Username: Lyrical Post Number: 95 Registered: 4-2012 |
To be clear, even though this independent documentary isn't produced by the SDA church, the filmmakers are in fact a married Adventist couple. Additionally, although the film does not technically take a position on homosexuality, the filmmakers are 100% supportive of homosexuality and gay rights. It was their outrage to the Proposition 8 fiasco in 2008 where California voters approved a ban on gay marriage that prompted them to make this film. These are not unbiased filmmakers. Although this documentary may be excellently produced and may tell some compelling, heart-wrenching stories, I'm not sure this Forum is the place to be advertising or promoting a film that tells the stories of people who are attempting to reconcile their Adventism with their sexual orientation. Most of us here are needing to move away from reconciling ANYTHING to Adventism, let alone homosexuality. | ||
| Freeatlast Registered user Username: Freeatlast Post Number: 848 Registered: 5-2002 |
Lyrical, have you seen the film? If the filmmakers are indeed as biased as you allege, it does not come through in their documentary. This film takes no position on homosexuality or Adventism. I disagree with your position that this forum is not not an appropriate place to inform former Adventists about a film screening locally that documents the psychosocial conflicts of people on the fringe of Adventism, regardless of the context. I thought there may be former Adventists who might be interested in the subject matter and inclined to see the film. I suppose we will have to agree to disagree. The forum administrators may decide that this is not an appropriate thread for the forum, and I have no problem if they make that determination and delete the thread. | ||
| Lyrical Registered user Username: Lyrical Post Number: 96 Registered: 4-2012 |
Freeatlast, I'm fine with agreeing to disagree. I was just voicing my opinion...  Yes, I've seen most of the film and it is produced excellently. I know the filmmakers very well, so the bias I know they hold is not alleged. It is fact. I was merely pointing out that the motives behind things do matter to many people, even if the product doesn't appear biased. | ||
| Freeatlast Registered user Username: Freeatlast Post Number: 849 Registered: 5-2002 |
Fair enough, and no hard feelings of course! | ||
| Lyrical Registered user Username: Lyrical Post Number: 97 Registered: 4-2012 |
Nope... no hard feelings at all! | ||
| Mjcmcook Registered user Username: Mjcmcook Post Number: 754 Registered: 2-2011  |
I would like to ask the producers of this film, Stephen Eyer and Daneen Akers the following question~ Why a (celibate) gay Adventist was not included in this film? This being the person that chooses to believe and live out the Scripture addressing this issue in Romans chapter 1? Perhaps the producers 'real' message is the acceptance of the gay life style? Not only for Adventists, but also, Christians? ~mj~ | ||
| Punababe808 Registered user Username: Punababe808 Post Number: 238 Registered: 4-2012 |
Yes. Adultery is adultery. Some are ment for celebecy. I believe there are four sexual sins biblically. Adultry between The twos genders, homosexual encoynters, animal /human intimacy And familial incest | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 14133 Registered: 12-2003  |
I do think that this subject is appropriate for the forum, although I do sympathize with Lyrical's personal reaction to the filmmakers' bias. The issue of gayness has been on the edges of Adventism (and Christianity) forever. Several years ago we received a phone call from someone asking how we viewed homosexuality in our former Adventist ministry. I replied that we believe the Bible teaches against it, but that it is no different from any other sin that may have genetic or other predispositions. Just as a person with a genetic predisposition to addiction or alcoholism is admonished by Scripture not to be drunk (not to practice his addiction), in the same way a homosexual is to submit his or her particular temptation or predisposition to God and trust Him in not practicing the behavior His word says we must entrust to Him. I made it clear that homosexuals are no different from any of the rest of us in being welcomed into God's family, and likewise they are the same as all of us in needing to trust God and relinquish our "rights" to what our flesh would do that is against God's revealed will. The person did not argue with me but quickly terminated the conversation and hung up. Colleen | ||
| Skeeter Registered user Username: Skeeter Post Number: 1999 Registered: 12-2007  |
Colleen, I agree with your statements about Homosexuals. I believe the Bible is clear about it. I do know a couple of Homosexuals who are Christians that want desperately to believe that God does not frown on homosexual relationships as long as they are Christ centered and monogamous and are being told (by other homosexuals)at a church they have been attending (primarily homosexual members as well as pastor)that the "sin" of homosexuality spoken of in the Bible had to do with sexual perversions that were going on in the Temples at that time. I have not studied into it to try and figure it out but did mention it to the Pastor of the church I have been attending to get his opinion. He personally has no doubt about homosexuality being "sin". He said that he has baptized a few people who were homosexual.He said it was after studying with them and admonishing them that it is NOT an acceptable lifestyle and that it may be something that they will struggle with for the rest of their lives, but would need to make the decision to be celibate rather than give in to their desires of the flesh. I guess it is not a lot different from an alcoholic who realizes they are doing wrong in continually getting drunk, but continues anyway despite the effects it may have on themselves, their family, and their relationship with God. | ||
| Punababe808 Registered user Username: Punababe808 Post Number: 239 Registered: 4-2012 |
I agree with Colleen on this matter. At the same time i realize most people have a longing deep within to he lived by someone special And to share that love. I'm thankful For a fairly and just Saviour. | ||
| Skeeter Registered user Username: Skeeter Post Number: 2000 Registered: 12-2007 |
Yes, Punababe808, everyone deserves to be loved. I feel bad for those who have feelings of longing to be loved in an intimate way by those of the same sex, and I can't pretend to understand it, but I don't have to, because their relationship with God is theirs, just as my relationship with God is my own. He is the Judge of all hearts. It is not my job but His. My obligation is to show compassion and pray for them to be shown His will, and to be willing to follow when it is clearly shown to them. | ||
| Lyrical Registered user Username: Lyrical Post Number: 98 Registered: 4-2012 |
I don't think the subject of homosexuality is inappropriate for the forum, either. I just have issues with this particular film and the agenda that hides behind the very well produced stories, which is masked as "unbiased." I just believe that since the filmmakers do have definite opinions, they should be honest about what those opinions are. Instead, I have seen them evade direct questions over and over again, answering vaguely and refusing to address the sin issue. This is what I have a problem with... not with the discussion itself. MJ, you might find these articles interesting. They address the question you raised about why a celibate gay Adventist was not included in the film. 'Seventh-Gay Adventists' film an emotional appeal, not a biblical one Movie vs God's Reality The Missing Story in "Seventh-Gay Adventists" | ||
| Mjcmcook Registered user Username: Mjcmcook Post Number: 756 Registered: 2-2011 |
Lyrical~ Thank-you for the links~ I found the, 'Movie vs God's Reality', especially interesting~ I believe the 'Key' to all of this is being willing to 'Surrender' to GOD~! ~mj~ | ||
| Colossians2v8 Registered user Username: Colossians2v8 Post Number: 171 Registered: 4-2012 |
Not trying to change the subject, but when Proposition 8 is mentioned I'm always reminded of how ridiculous the Red State v/s Blue State fiction is. California is allegedly a "Blue State", the people spoke in California with Proposition 8, then as I recall the courts overruled the people making the vote on Proposition 8 a meaningless waste of time, yes? I believe it's clear that Urban = "Blue" and Rural = "Red". No offense to any urban lovers, but I think the metropolis adversely affects common sense, obfuscates basic and enduring human facts, and what really matters in life. Seems like most every state is "Red" and most every large city is "Blue". I do believe the distinction is in part due to how immersed a given population is in "mainstream media/propaganda." Some people claim there is a plan to move everyone to large dystopian city states, hehe. I would not be a fan, cities are filthy demoralizing life suckers, unless you can afford to live atop an ivory tower of course.... | ||
| Punababe808 Registered user Username: Punababe808 Post Number: 243 Registered: 4-2012 |
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