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| Asurprise Registered user Username: Asurprise Post Number: 2829 Registered: 7-2007 |
It's been awhile since I wrote a post to Adventists reading on here, so I thought I'd post another letter to any of you who are Adventists... When I was an SDA, I believed that the "proof texts" that my church taught me really proved that Ellen White was a true prophet. I didn't realize that they were taken out of context. Now, please don't interpret the Bible verses I reference through Ellen White. Instead, ask God to open your eyes to what the Bible really says and be willing to believe the Bible as it reads. (Remember, if you read what the Bible says with the mind set of: "whatever it says, it doesn't disagree with Ellen White. I KNOW that!" you will never understand what the Bible is saying. God won't override your determination. He gives freedom of choice.) First I'd like to mention the Covenants. (Testament means Covenant, by the way.) Here's a couple verses that define what the Old Covenant is: "So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights. He neither ate bread nor drank water. And he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments." Ex.34:28 "And he declared to you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, that is, the Ten Commandments, and he wrote them on two tablets of stone." Deuteronomy 4:13 Second, I'd like to point out just who that Covenant was for: Here's Moses talking to Israel: "The Lord our God made a covenant with us in Horeb. Not with our fathers did the Lord make this covenant, but with us, who are all of us here alive today." Deut. 5:2-3 (Notice, this covenant wasn't given to their fathers - the ones who went before.) Third, I'd like to explore just what happened when Jesus brought in a New Covenant. Keep in mind that when someone dies, it's his LAST will and testament that takes effect. Did He bring in a New Covenant? Let's find out... "Therefore He is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant. 16 For where a will is involved, the death of the one who made it must be established. 17 For a will takes effect only at death, since it is not in force as long as the one who made it is alive." Hebrews 9:15-17 But what happened to the old covenant? "In speaking of a new covenant, He makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away." Hebrews 8:13 Fourth, when you read the New Testament, you'll find nine of the ten old commands repeated and greatly expanded on, but now instead of trying to keep the law from the outside in, a believer is indwelt by God Himself and saved from the moment he/she believes. "In Him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in Him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, Who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of His glory." Ephesians 1:13-14 You didn't know that the Seal of God is the Holy Spirit, did you? By the way, what ever happened to the fourth commandment? "Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ." Colossians 2:16-17 So all the various types of Sabbaths; yearly, monthly and weekly are SHADOWS of Christ. He is our Sabbath Rest now. Can you imagine running up to Jesus Who has His arms wide to receive you and then falling on the ground, trying to hug His shadow instead? Now, your leaders will try to explain this away. An "explanation" I've heard is them doubling up on the festivals - turning the three categories into two by saying: "festivals, new moons and festivals." (Also read Romans 14:5.) Now if you are still following this, here's a fifth error that Ellen White perpetrates... As you know, she taught in the book "Early Writing" that Jesus DID NOT enter the Most Holy Place until 1844. Here the Bible is talking about Jesus having entered the Most Holy Place. Those of you who only use the King James Version, type the words: "within the veil" into an electronic concordance and you'll see that in EVERY CASE, it's talking about the Most Holy Place... "We have this as a sure and steadfast anchor of the soul, a hope that enters into the inner place behind the curtain, where Jesus has gone as a forerunner on our behalf, having become a high priest forever after the order of Melchizedek." Hebrews 6:19-20 I have a question for you. What is the holiest place in Heaven? Could there possibly be a place holier than where God is? Of course not! So where did Jesus go when He went back to Heaven after He rose from the dead? "But when Christ[a] had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God," Hebrews 10:12 (Also see Hebrews 1:3) Now, don't be decieved by the excuses of the SDA leadership when they try to explain away these verses. A well known Adventist preacher tried to explain this one away to me by saying that God's throne has wheels on it and He can wheel Himself from place to place. He failed to understand that since the holiest place in Heaven would be wherever God is, His Presence is the Most Holy Place and Jesus sat down at His side! I'll point out one more thing and then I'll stop for now, because you're probably getting overwhelmed with all this... Sixth; you know how Ellen White said that the health message/laws are the "right arm of the gospel" or something like that? Well you know those verses in Leviticus that says not to eat pork and shell fish and all that? I bet you didn't know that the "unclean" meats represented Gentiles did you? It wasn't "health laws" at all! See for yourself... "But I have said to you, ‘You shall inherit their land, and I will give it to you to possess, a land flowing with milk and honey.’ I am the Lord your God, Who has separated you from the peoples. You shall therefore separate the clean beast from the unclean, and the unclean bird from the clean. You shall not make yourselves detestable by beast or by bird or by anything with which the ground crawls, which I have set apart for you to hold unclean. You shall be holy to me, for I the Lord am holy and have separated you from the peoples, that you should be mine." Leviticus 20:24-26 No wonder that Acts 10 talks about Peter being given a vision of unclean beasts in a sheet and being told that God had cleansed them, which Peter afterward realized represented the Gentiles and that the Gentiles sould be given the gospel! Now I've heard Adventists say, "but what about the ark where 7 of each of the clean and 2 of each of the unclean went in?" The answer to that is simple. People were only to sacrifice the "clean" animals. That way there would be enough to sacrifice! And what did God say to Noah after the flood anyway? "Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. And as I gave you the green plants, I give you everything." Genesis 9:3 | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 14029 Registered: 12-2003  |
Asurprise, thanks for putting this out there. it's food for thought, and these are issues people need to think about. I know I had to think about these things! Colleen | ||
| Asurprise Registered user Username: Asurprise Post Number: 2830 Registered: 7-2007 |
You're welcome!  I know it took a miracle - actually a series of miracles for me to "get" it. It's amazing how clear the Bible becomes, once someone realizes that Ellen White is a false prophet! | ||
| Mjcmcook Registered user Username: Mjcmcook Post Number: 670 Registered: 2-2011  |
Ausprise~ I completely agree it is a miracle that any of us are "Saved!"~ IMO~ The FIRST Step for an adventist, is to be firmly convinced in their mind that ellen g. white is a FALSE Prophet~ when this happens it takes the "veil" away, and Scripture, will indeed become clear! Praise GOD! ~mj~ | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 9838 Registered: 3-2004  |
Learning that EGW is a false prophet was what it took for me to decide not to return to the SDA church. Then I started reading the NT with no other help(at the challenge from an SDA minister). I am forever thankful to him for that challenge. Our awesome God then took me out of adventism. Diana | ||
| 1john2v27nlt Registered user Username: 1john2v27nlt Post Number: 435 Registered: 5-2009 |
Mjcmcook, Scripture says that the veil is removed in Christ. For me, I confessed Jesus privately & publicly, I consciously renounced egw & sdaism, - & then the scriptures opened to my understanding. Renouncing all is what put the focus on Jesus & the NT/NC. Formerly the focus was on the OT/OC. I am agreeing with you, not disagreeing. Just need to be clear in my own mind. God is awesome Diana! We all come to Him supernaturally - via the Spirit. Praise God! Just my experience. J9 | ||
| Mjcmcook Registered user Username: Mjcmcook Post Number: 673 Registered: 2-2011 |
J9~ We both agree that the "veil" can only be taken away "in CHRIST"~! I realize now that you pointed out how I stated my belief in post#670, it could be misunderstood~ the statement is written in a clumsy way! ~mj~ | ||
| 1john2v27nlt Registered user Username: 1john2v27nlt Post Number: 438 Registered: 5-2009 |
I'm glad you could discern my heart Mjcmcook! J9 | ||
| Nowisee Registered user Username: Nowisee Post Number: 1204 Registered: 5-2009 |
Yes, after I quit believing in EGW I actually began to see things in Scripture that I had never seen before! The first verse I "saw" was Gen. 3:6....it was weird and unbelievable, but it really happened. The veil & brainwashing is real. |
