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| Lyrical Registered user Username: Lyrical Post Number: 58 Registered: 4-2012 |
Do any of you remember Roger J. Morneau? (He died in 1998). This man had a significant interaction in his early life with the occult, converted to Adventism, and then gave testimonies of his experience and wrote some books. There is an interview with him (that you can now see on YouTube) that I watched one Friday night in my early twenties that changed my life. He testified that the demons told him that they were the most afraid of Adventists because SDAs had the truth. The demons told him they would just leave SDAs alone because it wasn't worth their effort. Interesting that Morneau happened to become an SDA. This testimony was so compelling to me that it cemented in my mind at the time the "truth" of Adventism. It never occurred to me that Satan is the father of lies, so this little piece of truth might actually be a lie! I bought it hook-line-and-sinker. I now believe that Morneau was actually "planted," so-to-speak, by the devil within Adventism to give this testimony to reaffirm the "truth" of Adventism. Very, very deceptive and sneaky, but it got me way back when. And then, I was recently reading through a short testimony by William G. Johnsson regarding his interaction with a Muslim sheikh. The following was particularly interesting to me... "The following day the sheikh and I met to consider what topic should form the basis for the discussions with the larger group. Almost immediately we settled on the Second Coming. We decided to ask each side to prepare short papers on the general topic of Jesus’ return, on the signs of the Second Coming, and on the antichrist. Then came the moment I had been waiting for. “Sir,” I asked, “is it true that you received a vision about Seventh-day Adventists?” “Not one, but three,” he replied. “All three had the same message: Seventh-day Adventists are the true People of the Book [a term from the Koran, designating followers of Allah who are not Muslims]. Adventists already are God’s people, so do not try to convert them. Instead, work with them.” Exactly the same message as Morneau's, different avenue. Both messages of SDA affirmation coming from the dark side. This is scary stuff and I hate that I was sucked into believing it. But, I think it's helpful to be reminded of the true nature and origin of Adventist doctrines so that my discernment will be strengthened and my passion renewed to reach out to those who remain encased in the concrete of a false gospel. | ||
| Punababe808 Registered user Username: Punababe808 Post Number: 120 Registered: 4-2012 |
Yes, i have SDA loved ones why will insist muslims will be saved and pork eating Christians will be eternally lost because of the truth of pork. These kin of mine actually are uncomfortable at the name of jesus being brought into the conversation. Its as if a bad spirit is in charge. I generally wouldleave. Now I have moved far away and have left those sorts of conversations in my past. Yes, it is very far out stuff. | ||
| Chris Registered user Username: Chris Post Number: 1732 Registered: 7-2003  |
Lyrical, Very interesting observation. Yes, I remember Morneau and read one of his books as a kid (scared me to death). I think you're right-on that there is a direct parallel between the message Morneau delivered and the one being delivered today by William G. Johnson. I personally believe EGW's claim that she had a spirit guide who would come to her and tell her what to write. I have no trouble believing Mohamed's claims that an angel came to him in a cave and told him what to write. I have no problem believing that occultists have real experiences with spirits. If we believe what the Bible has to say about Satan and fallen angels, then none of this should be too great a stretch. It also shouldn't be surprising that these spirits/angels affirm one another and their messages of bondage. | ||
| Mjcmcook Registered user Username: Mjcmcook Post Number: 599 Registered: 2-2011  |
Scripture repeatedly tells us that this very thing will happen~ (real experiences with "spirits" of evil intent)~ it has happened, and I believe it is a reality, NOW~ it will only increase as time moves forward~ One only has to read the, "news- of- the- day," to realize this is a fact~ This being said, Believers must be Awake and Alert, so as not to be deceived~ TEST the Spirit for Truth as written in Scripture and Scripture, ONLY~ ~mj~ | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 13937 Registered: 12-2003  |
Lyrical, I have come to exactly the same conclusions. If we receive "confirmation" of Adventism's "truth" based on revelations from demons, we are following the dark side. We are receiving our marching orders from demons, not from God and His word. Colleen | ||
| Asurprise Registered user Username: Asurprise Post Number: 2758 Registered: 7-2007 |
Yes, I remember reading Morneau's book when I was an SDA and I was quite impressed by it. I was even impressed by the demon's testimony endorsing Adventism. That makes me shudder. I feel bad for Morneau now. Duped by demon's from a cult to satanism and to another cult! I wonder if he ever accepted Jesus as his Savior or if he bought the Adventist lie that the person themselves have to "push the sin out in Jesus' strength" in order to be saved. That boils down to the person actually being a co-savior of their souls. (If you look in chapter 24 of "The Great Controversy" or type in the words; "own diligent effort" in the E.G. White estate online, you'll find where she wrote: "Their robes must be spotless, their characters must be purified from sin by the blood of sprinkling. Through the grace of God and their own diligent effort they must be conquerors in the battle with evil."  Clifford Goldstein dabbled briefly with the occult according to his autobiography. No wonder he was duped into Adventism afterward... | ||
| Asurprise Registered user Username: Asurprise Post Number: 2759 Registered: 7-2007 |
...also Mohammed himself feared that he was being attacked or possesed or something when he encountered that angel in the cave that called itself "Gabriel." That angel oppressed and frightened him terribly. Mohammed even described the happenings to his wife who reasured him by telling him they were from God. The Bible says that good angels reasure humans not to be afraid on the occasions they've appeared to them. Obviously neither Mohammed nor his wife read the Bible or they would have known the difference. Now the scourge of Mohammed's religion is oppresing the Middle East and keeping people in darkness. (Of course, SDAism is no less dark - it sends people to the same place in the end - it's just not so horrible in this life.) | ||
| Punababe808 Registered user Username: Punababe808 Post Number: 125 Registered: 4-2012 |
WHAT? Demons have declaired SDA as truth?? That is wild and far out. Im glad I wasnt privey to that book/author. | ||
| Nowisee Registered user Username: Nowisee Post Number: 1183 Registered: 5-2009 |
Here's another very interesting connection: http://annjapenga.com/Images/articles/wTahquitz.pdf | ||
| Asurprise Registered user Username: Asurprise Post Number: 2762 Registered: 7-2007 |
Oh wow! Doug Batchelor too?!? It seems a lot of SDA leaders have spooky starts! | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 13938 Registered: 12-2003 |
That article, Nowisee, was really eye-opening. Batchelor's autobiography just seemed odd; it seemed contrived, and the sketchy details he gave of some of his exploits seemed to be veiled and suggestive of things he wouldn't quite come out and say. His whole "cave experience" was just odd. Reading the Japenga article provided the missing pieces. Batchelor wasn't just living in a cave with another person who also happened to find it; he was a member of a large community...a commune, actually. There's so much more to his story than he actually tells...and it makes sense. The details just never hung together for me, and reading his book only made the story seem less believable rather than more. Thanks for finding that article! Colleen | ||
| Taluur Registered user Username: Taluur Post Number: 3 Registered: 8-2012 |
It is interesting to note that Islam, Mormonism, and Seventh-day Adventism have in common angelic messengers proclaiming a different gospel from the one taught in the Bible. It is not surprising that these demonic agents would confirm the messages of false religions to mislead people. Paul warned us about this in Galatians 1:6-9. | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 13951 Registered: 12-2003 |
Absolutely, Taluur. You're right. It's disconcerting to begin to realize that we grew up in something that was not merely twisted but downright dark. But we did.. Praise God He rescued us! Colleen | ||
| Asurprise Registered user Username: Asurprise Post Number: 2763 Registered: 7-2007 |
Welcome to the forum, Taluur!  | ||
| Punababe808 Registered user Username: Punababe808 Post Number: 140 Registered: 4-2012 |
Tauur, welcome. Pleased to meet you and am looking forward to hearing more from you. | ||
| Taluur Registered user Username: Taluur Post Number: 4 Registered: 8-2012 |
Thank you for the welcome! I agree with you, Colleen. Thank God for rescuing us in Christ Jesus. I had an interesting short discussion with an SDA recently who insisted to me that Eve was not with Adam when she took the fruit from the forbidden tree. I did not argue with him, but merely showed him Genesis 3:6 where it says Adam was with Eve. I then asked the question where the other narrative originated? I could not get any other answer from him except that it was logical that Eve was not with Adam, even though the text said otherwise. Of course, I knew the other version of the story came from Patriarchs and Prophets. I hope that he will realize that eventually. It takes a miracle of God to remove the veil of the devil and open the eyes and heart to receive the truth even when it goes against the cherished beliefs of ones religious group. | ||
| Nowisee Registered user Username: Nowisee Post Number: 1190 Registered: 5-2009 |
Hi Taluur! Glad to have you here. Yes, The Gen. 3:6 text was the very first thing I saw with "unveiled" eyes after I quit believing that EGW was a prophet sent from God. I, a "born adventist" had literally never seen the content of that verse before. How weird is that? SDAs still argue with me when I point the verse out to them. | ||
| Bskillet Registered user Username: Bskillet Post Number: 991 Registered: 8-2008 |
I read a book recently that showed how what Muslims believe about their coming "Mahdi" and what the Bible says about the anti-Christ are very similar, virtually identical in many material aspects. If you study modern persecution of Christians, and then were asked to identify whom you see today as "drunk with the blood of the saints," well, Islam sure fits the bill. Islam was founded and exists primarily as a rebuttal to Christian doctrines, rather than a religion standing by itself. There is some evidence that Islam was originally founded by disaffected Arians who had been kicked out of the Christian church for their heresy. So Islam and SDAism are two peas in a pod. | ||
| Asurprise Registered user Username: Asurprise Post Number: 2782 Registered: 7-2007 |
Here's an article that tells Mohammed's experience in meeting with the demon in the cave that called itself "Gabriel." http://answering-islam.org/Silas/demons.htm | ||
| Butterfly_poette Registered user Username: Butterfly_poette Post Number: 250 Registered: 5-2011  |
I read "A Trip Into the Supernatural" by Roger Morneau. I was shocked to read the book. It did freak me out. Even though I read that book ages ago, it still gives me the chills. I later did wonder if he made some of the book up. I'm still not sure. I do know that Morneau's son is a former SDA. I read his testimony somewhere. I have wanted to contact him. I tried looking for some contact information, but I haven't been able to find it. I was shocked that he would leave SDA. I wonder what he knows about his father's testimony. Was it true? Or did he realize that his father was led astray by demons some more? I never thought of that: demons lying about how "great" the SDA church is. Of course, they will lie about anything. http://acriticalchristian1971.wordpress.com/why-im-offended-with-the-writings-of-roger-j-morneau/ Does anyone remember "Beware of Angels" by Morneau? It was about a murder case. Some SDAs got together and had angels visiting their Bible study group for years. Finally the angels told some of the group members to murder a family. They nearly succeeded. The wife was killed, but the husband and young son survived. The boy was paralyzed. It's sad that those people listened to those spirits! | ||
| Asurprise Registered user Username: Asurprise Post Number: 2804 Registered: 7-2007 |
Butterfly; I also read that book back when I was an Adventist. Yes, the occult is very real, but Christian's have authority over demons. Remember when Jesus sent out his disciples and they rejoiced that they had power to cast out demons? Of course, people shouldn't put themselves in a place they shouldn't. I'm certain that the demons were very happy to see Roger Morneau get into a cult! They don't care if people go from cult to cult, as long as they never find the truth! | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 14013 Registered: 12-2003 |
It really amazes me how fascinated Adventists are with the occult and with demons. I guess it doesn't really surprise me, but it's another case of "hiding in plain sight". Adventism has Satan at it's core of salvation: he is the scapegoat that cleanses heaven by carrying away the sins of the saved (and please, don't try to make the case that Adventists don't "really believe" this. Individuals may not actually think about it or articulate it in these words, but this IS what EGW taught. She specifically said Satan is punished for the sins of the saved.). Anyway, Adventism has the dark secret that Satan is at the core of its soteriology. It denies the true nature of man saying that if we believe we have spirits separate from our bodies, we will be vulnerable to spiritism. Yet Christians are far less vulnerable to spiritism than are Adventists. Christians understand the role and nature of Satan, and they do not fear him. Adventists in general, however, do fear Satan, and they try to avoid that fear by denial. To believe a lie (that humans do not have spirits) is to set oneself up for further deception. Adventism is fascinated by demons, I believe, because they are vulnerable to them as a result of their deception as to the true nature of man, of Jesus, and of sin and salvation. Demons have power, and Adventists are deceived into being fascinated by that dark "power" that they KNOW is "bad" but which seems to be greater than their own power. Christians, however, know that He who is in them is greater than he who is in the world (1 John 4:4). Colleen |
