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Lucybugg
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Username: Lucybugg
Post Number: 316
Registered: 2-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 05, 2012 - 1:19 pm: |     |
My sda mother developed an allergy to beef after her gallbladder was removed so she eats lots of turkey, chicken and fish. Interestingly, she unknowingly ate some ham, and it didn't cause her any problems. She now says...God doesn't say it doesn't taste good, He says not to eat it.
We go to Hardees for breakfast each week, and she always orders the breakfast platter with bacon and gives the bacon to me. I'm surprised she'll eat any of the food since it was touched by the bacon.
I'm always amazed by the picking and choosing.... |
Punababe808
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Username: Punababe808
Post Number: 139
Registered: 4-2012
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 05, 2012 - 1:36 pm: | |
Thanks for the gravey recipes. My favorite breakfast is bisquets and gravey. Now I can make my own. I will share a SDA food story now. My cousins daughter w as attending a SDA boarding high school. She has constantly very sick. Actually on the brink of death. The SDA doctors she was taken.to couldn't figure it out. She was sent to Stanford Medical Center where the were told she could boy ever have any grains at all. Well, this was a major ordeal. Her dad was on the school board and he let them know his child had to eat meat. Not to be pushovers, they let her eat meat but she had to eat it in her dorm room. She wasn't allowed to take her meat to the cafetería and have it with the rest of her meal. |
Colleentinker
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Username: Colleentinker
Post Number: 13955
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 05, 2012 - 5:45 pm: | |
Great ideas...thanks for the recipes, Katarain!
Lyrical, I am so sorry about your daughter and husband. My MIL has celiac's disease; she was diagnosed only within the past five years. Apparently there are a couple of "types", one is the early onset, and one shows up later, or at least that's how I understood it when she was diagnosed. Yes, is autoimmune, and I can only imagine the trauma of learning to cook for a celiac's patient...much less to deal with that AND leave Adventism!
Colleen |
Lyrical
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Username: Lyrical
Post Number: 63
Registered: 4-2012
| | Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2012 - 6:57 am: | |
Colleen, Yes... it's a horrible disease. Makes eating so difficult and removes much of the spontaneity of life. It controls every outing, all vacations, socializing with friends, school parties, etc. Makes one realize just how many of our daily activities involve food! There is only one type of Celiac, but there are different symptoms and varying points of onset. No one really knows what the trigger is for the disease, so some have the disease triggered early (like my daughter) and some late (like my husband). For my husband it was like this ticking time bomb he didn't know he had... They both have a harder time fighting off general illness than either my son or myself. After school started, the three of them got sick. My son got over it in a week, but by husband and daughter have been coughing for three weeks now!
Yep, it's all pretty stressful... It's something I have to constantly be giving back to God and asking for help. I just can't do it on my own. |
Punababe808
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Username: Punababe808
Post Number: 142
Registered: 4-2012
| | Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2012 - 11:10 am: | |
Lucybugg, Yes, my mother would use that same line. When told we are free to eat whatever we please she would say, "yes. We are free to eat all foods..pork, shellfish and the other unclean animals are not food. But, yes, we are Fred to eat all food." |
Colleentinker
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Username: Colleentinker
Post Number: 13956
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2012 - 11:36 am: | |
OK, that's cleared up that vagueness I had about the varying onsets of the disease, Lyrical.
The fighting off general illness component is so interesting. My MIL is extremely reactive to viruses, especially flu viruses. Twice she has landed in CCU with myocarditis after being exposed to a flu-like virus, and she has been told by the cardiologist never to take flu shots but to be sure everyone around her does. Each of her myocarditis episodes were touch and go; they weren't sure she would pull out of it.
Both Richard and our older son are more reactive to viruses than is our younger son. Neither has been diagnosed, but it makes me wonder...neither gets as deathly ill as my MIL, but still...and both my husband and son seem to be triggered to capitulate to viruses by chronic stress.
Interesting...
Colleen |
Punababe808
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Username: Punababe808
Post Number: 143
Registered: 4-2012
| | Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2012 - 12:46 pm: | |
Has there ever been studies To find out if or not those illnessed/diseases are more prevalant per captia almong SDA''s than the genera population? |
Lyrical
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Username: Lyrical
Post Number: 64
Registered: 4-2012
| | Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2012 - 6:40 pm: | |
Colleen,
More than 2 million people in the United States have the Celiac Disease, or about 1 in 133 people. Among people who have a first-degree relative — a parent, sibling, or child — diagnosed with celiac disease, as many as 1 in 22 people may have the disease.
In my opinion, my MIL also has it, but is undiagnosed. She has dermatological symptoms and very few GI symptoms. Some people can have the disease and experience no symptoms to speak of, but they are still at high risk for all of the other risk factors that come along with it, which are not good.
Before treatment, my daughter would get a typical cold that would last for 3 weeks, instead of one. Eventually, as she got sicker, everytime she'd get a cold, it would turn into a raging ear infection. This is what finally led us to a diagnosis. At age 4 she broke her arm in a minor fall because her bones were so weak from her body not absorbing nutrients. Before treatment, my husband began getting chronic "strep-like" throat infections that became resistant to antibiotics. Even though they are both treated and healthy today, their immune systems have to work harder than the average to fight off illness and they usually stay sick longer. (My husband also seems to get sick easily when stressed and/or sleep-deprived.)
I'd say that with a positive diagnosis of Celiac in your MIL, and an observation of increased overall illnesses in your husband and son, I'd get a screening test done. They are definitely at a much higher risk than the average person. |
Lyrical
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Username: Lyrical
Post Number: 65
Registered: 4-2012
| | Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2012 - 6:47 pm: | |
Punababe808, I'm not aware of any studies that have been done on these issues comparing the SDA population to the general population. Most people I know who have it are not SDA, so I think it's probably an even mix across the population. It is most common, however, in people of European (especially Northern European) descent. |
Colossians2v8
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Username: Colossians2v8
Post Number: 162
Registered: 4-2012
| | Posted on Friday, September 07, 2012 - 4:07 pm: | |
Haha! I started reading this backwards and was very interested in the "Kooking with Katarain" show, then I saw Colleen's post and realized why she gave so much knowledge about roux ;)
As for coffee, I've drank coffee on and off my whole life but believe it or not, only recently heard of a french press. (How is THAT possible?) My loving wife found one for $6.99--This simple mechanical invention that's been around for well over a hundred years I'm sure, beats the pants off of all the electrical contraptions I have tried like Mr. Coffee autodrippers, It makes the best coffee I have ever tasted, the device can also be used with loose leaf teas and I would highly recommend it to coffee drinkers who are looking for full flavor. It brings the essential oils out of the grounds or something, unlike an autodripper it isn't harsh, even very strong coffee is VERY smooth and rich from a french press. (I expect "french roast" was invented to compliment the press or vice versa, I dunno, but it's about all I use now) |
Mjcmcook
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Username: Mjcmcook
Post Number: 610
Registered: 2-2011
| | Posted on Friday, September 07, 2012 - 4:54 pm: | |
Colossians2v8~
I agree! 
The coffee is especially "taste-worthy" IF you use
bottled water!
~mj~ |
Butterfly_poette
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Username: Butterfly_poette
Post Number: 257
Registered: 5-2011
| | Posted on Monday, October 08, 2012 - 8:48 am: | |
I still find it hard to eat meat. I have been vegetarian for all my 32 years. I only had meat at Thanksgiving. I didn't eat much then. I didn't care for it.
I still prefer not to bother with unclean seafood. It just weirds me out too much. I still think of bottom-feeders and I don't like the idea of eating something that eats garbage.
In Korea I saw some weird things like sea cucumbers and dried squid in the market place. That didn't help.
I was thinking of the Levitical laws today. I do think SDAs are wrong in thinking they are somehow holier because they follow Levitical dietary laws. So many think they are better by being vegetarians or vegans.
1 Timothy says that in latter times some will come in the "spirit of Devils" and will teach people to abstain from certain foods. That's EGW. Her followers are so happy about the health message. Yet it's nothing but Satan's lies. The health message has its merits, but it has nothing to do with salvation. It doesn't make people more holy. Also, not everything in there is true. |
Butterfly_poette
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Username: Butterfly_poette
Post Number: 258
Registered: 5-2011
| | Posted on Monday, October 08, 2012 - 8:51 am: | |
I was thinking how SDAs and some other Christians still uphold Levitical laws, yet say that others don't matter now. SDAs uphold the dietary laws, but don't expect people to follow ceremonial laws. Some Christians say we shouldn't get tattoos or piercings from Leviticus, but don't expect men to have haircuts like Orthodox Jewish men have.
People cherry-pick to their convenience. |
Mjcmcook
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Username: Mjcmcook
Post Number: 664
Registered: 2-2011
| | Posted on Monday, October 08, 2012 - 11:13 am: | |
It is unfortunate that many people "cherry-pick" what is pleasing to them to follow, in their habits of life style choices, including what they eat.
This being said, the 10TH chapter of 1ST. Corinthians has much to say regarding this matter. I especially like what verse 31 states~"So then, whether you eat or drink, or whatever you may do, do all for honor and glory of God."
~mj~ |
Colleentinker
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Username: Colleentinker
Post Number: 14014
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2012 - 11:49 am: | |
The Adventist fascination with vegetarianism/veganism is directly related to their belief that man is purely physical and not spiritual. Moreover, this denial of meat as food is not limited to Adventism. It is rampant among pagan religions including Buddhism, New Age, etc.
People who do not believe that God made man to care for the earth and that man, not animals, carry His image and can bear His name and authority fail to understand that when God gave meat for food in Genesis 9 after the flood, He was establishing a natural "order" that would keep sinful man less likely to exalt the animals. He gave animals fear of man at the same time He gave man everything that moves for food.
We are never supposed to mistake the eternal value of animals as equal to or greater than our own value in the sight of God. Jesus came to redeem humanity, and He gave the animals as His provision for our sustenance. We are never supposed to be cruel or profligate in our "use" of animals. We are to care for the earth. But we bear the responsibility of carrying God's truth and authority in the world.
People who do not understand the significance of Jesus' incarnation and our own debt to Him also fail to understand the reasons God gave animals for food…and they also fail to understand our responsibility for caring properly for the earth. We are not equal to the animals; the animals are here for our blessing...and we are here to carry God's love into the world.
Colleen |
Lucybugg
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Username: Lucybugg
Post Number: 317
Registered: 2-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, October 11, 2012 - 11:45 am: | |
A thought about sda's and food...if they can't trust Jesus for their salvation how can they trust him about food? |
Asurprise
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Username: Asurprise
Post Number: 2824
Registered: 7-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, October 11, 2012 - 12:10 pm: | |
Butterfly; actually, Leviticus 20:24-26 says that it wasn't because of health that God gave that law to Israel, but because He was Separating Israel from the nations around. Then in Acts 10 after He gave that vision to Peter of the sheet with all the "unclean" animals, Peter realized that the "unclean" animals were the Gentiles that God had now cleansed.
(And of course the reason 7 of the clean and 2 of the unclean animals went into the ark was because only the clean were sacrificed. Also as Colleen pointed out, after the flood Noah was told he could eat "every moving thing that lives." Genesis 9:3) |
Colleentinker
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Username: Colleentinker
Post Number: 14027
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, October 11, 2012 - 10:54 pm: | |
It's amazing to me how deep our aversions to "unclean" meat—and even to "clean meat"—go. This tells me that, despite the Adventists' protests, their "health message" is actually a spiritual message, not simply a health message. They DO believe vegetarianism gives them better spiritual perception, and this belief is false. 1 Timothy 4:1-4 clearly says that it is a doctrine of demons to forbid people from eating foods that God has given.
I know the Adventists say that pork and shellfish aren't really "foods", but this argument is just a rationalization. Of COURSE they are foods; Jesus declared all food clean (Mark 7:13).
Colleen |
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