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| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 5965 Registered: 9-2006  |
I think Walter Martin hit on the main reason I am so against the Adventist church over all as a denomination. I have repeatedly said that I have nothing against individuals as a person for being associated with the Adventist church. I think even that is changing to a point, a point where I do not want to pray with them, nor to listen to them at all. The point he hit on, and I have felt all along, in fact the point that drew me to this forum, is the hundreds of Pastors, ministers and lay workers who have been defellowshiped, fired, smeared, by Seventh Day Adventist leadership if they begin to disagree with Ellen White, the 1844 investigative judgment which the Bible directly disputes in Hebrews 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us. They say, “Well…we don’t see the scripture quite that way.” How do they see this one? Romans 8:34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. What more holy place than the right hand of God? Not only do they excommunicate anyone who dares question the investigative judgment, but there is a spirit of confusion throughout the whole organization. If the people get restless, they squelch, back pedal and just flat out cover up, to keep from facing the truth. Now you may ask the question of me, “Don’t you care for the common church attendee? Is the Pastors, teachers, lay workers all you feel that’s important?” Yes I do care for the common church attendee, but it’s not a matter of who I have a burden for, it’s a matter of Christian integrity. They don’t want to be branded a cult, yet hundreds of Pastors, teachers and layman who dare to question doctrine are disappeared and the matter is swept under the rug like so much refuse. It also burdens my heart that the common church goer will stand by and let it happen and not offer comfort to those that are hurting. It may happen, but I haven’t heard of a case where any of the common church goers followed up on the welfare of an excommunicated Pastor, teacher or lay worker. What indication is there that this is a Christian organization? Pastors have been swept out of there three months before retirement and not given a backward thought by leadership. Now the excuse is that if a Pastor or lay worker is unwilling to teach the doctrine of the churches 28 fundemental’s they shouldn’t be paid out of church funds. But shouldn’t a Pastor be one who is after Gods own heart? Shouldn’t a Pastor care that much if he is to lead a flock? Should a Pastor be brought in and told straight up he can preach anything but the Gospel of Jesus Christ? Here is the way Jesus taught in Mark 10:44 And whosoever of you will be the chiefest, shall be servant of all. Mark 10:45 For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many. Its not a top down thing, it is bottom up, even Jesus, being the Son of God put this into practice and demonstrated it the making of the water wine, and washing the disciples feet. If a man has given 20 years of his life to a ministry, should he fired three months before his retirement? Now this says something very important to me here, that man is probably one after Gods own heart and a servant of Jesus, and servant of all. I worked on a cattle ranch and there was an old cowboy who could no longer ride or work, he had put in years for the Walker Ranch. He no longer was profitable to the ranch in a practical way, yet he had a home in the bunk house, food to eat and a little salary. He was being taken care of. He was respected for the time he rode for the brand, and would be taken care of till he died. The old fellow was crotchety, but everyone left him alone simply because the years he worked for the brand echoed behind him. If a cattle Ranch can do that, can a Christian do less? What upsets me the most about Adventism, is they chew its own up and spit them out like so much garbage. The job of the church is to lead and comfort the flock, but it is also the job of the church to preach salvation, so that others may hear the word and believe. But when you finally pin them down they stutter and fall right back to the same line that, over all look what good the church does, “We teach health, have great hospitals, look at that. But good works does not overshadow bad works, the tree gives fruit of its kind. Then when the fruit fall’s to the ground, the fruit is accused of not being fruit, but simply desolate limbs from some other tree. I, as a never been, can see the resemblance of the former Adventist to the church that bread them. That may not be very complimentary to the former, but it is just the truth, I am not out to insult anyone, but the fruit resembles the tree that bore it. There is nothing wrong with them, they are just a product of Adventism, and it is a witness against the church that bore them and they will stand as witnesses the rest of their lives. No matter how hard Adventist leadership and lay try to sweep them under the rug, they cannot get rid of the evidence against them. Jesus taught in Luke 12:1 In the mean time, when there were gathered together an innumerable multitude of people, insomuch that they trode one upon another, he began to say unto his disciples first of all, Beware ye of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy. Luke 12:2 For there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; neither hid, that shall not be known. Luke 12:3 Therefore whatsoever ye have spoken in darkness shall be heard in the light; and that which ye have spoken in the ear in closets shall be proclaimed upon the housetops. Now the formers, the same ones who have been abused, mis-taught and misused cries from the house tops as a witness against the church that bore it. Then when the same church that produced this hears the witness being cast abroad of the bad fruit, they cry fowl play, unfair. Then on top of that, they, thinking they are good to go, ask evangelicals to pray for their missions. I’m not going to pray for their missions, or even wish them God speed! God didn’t bring me to where I am today to be wishy washy, or to try to wash lies off so it don’t stink so bad. Me, I don’t have to stand up and rebuke them, they are doing that just fine in bringing rebuke on themselves by the fruit they bore, I don’t owe them a fight, I don’t owe them squat. My heart is not in changing them, my heart is in tending the fruit they cast to the ground to rot. Now I am just one man, and about the weakest of the lot. Maybe I don’t have any business being in the business of tending fruit that’s fallen to the ground, but my heart just will not leave me alone, and God made that too. When I see the fruit cast to the ground cut and bruised,and left to rot, my whole being begins to protest. I am afraid they not only have a growing problem, but a problem that has grown an matured. As long as this all goes on they are not going to get my vote…well, I just heard another fruit hit the ground and I gotta go. As Forest Gump said, That’s all I got to say about that. River | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 10927 Registered: 12-2003  |
River, you have painted a powerful picture of the way it is. I also hear another fruit hitting the ground... Praise God He is calling His own to Himself. Colleen | ||
| Bb Registered user Username: Bb Post Number: 633 Registered: 7-2004 |
Preach it brother!! | ||
| Jonvil Registered user Username: Jonvil Post Number: 336 Registered: 4-2007 |
Couldn’t agree more. I simply have no patience for those folks who, with Bible in hand, DENY God’s clear teaching (“Yea, hath God (actually) said…?”) in defense of the anti-gospel scribbling of their false prophetess. John | ||
| Nowisee Registered user Username: Nowisee Post Number: 267 Registered: 5-2009 |
I agree 100%, River! Those of us who have seen the truth have to be brave and stand up and call the false gospel and the false prophetess just what they are, no matter what the church says about us. God give us courage to stand for your Word and not let them control us through fear anymore--we know the spirit of fear does not originate from You, it's from the enemy of our souls. |
