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| 8thday Registered user Username: 8thday Post Number: 1208 Registered: 11-2007  |
I'm up late because I was so anxious to get this posted to my blog. I know many of you may not be able to relate to the whole experience of going all the way with the law.. (be glad) but if you happen to have time to read this booklet, you WILL be able to appreciate another testimony of someone coming out from under the law and finding Jesus is EVERYTHING. Many people in the Hebrew Roots put Jewish believers on a pedestal and will even listen to teachers who do NOT believe in Jesus at all. The lines between Christianity and Judaism are very indistinct to them. That's why this is so valuable to me. Even from the side of the fence they wish they were on.. a voice of truth! =) Enjoy... if you have the time and are so inclined. http://8thday4life.wordpress.com/2009/09/15/a-jewish-believers-testimony-and-exhortation/ | ||
| Bb Registered user Username: Bb Post Number: 551 Registered: 7-2004 |
This is so timely for me as we have a messianic rabbi from Chosen People's Ministries at church this week giving talks! I am very ignorant of this and am excited to start reading this booklet! Thank you so much for posting it. From what I see of this rabbi, he is all about Jesus, and told me he has sda's who visit his church, as he preaches on Saturday to reach the jews. He doesn't seem to believe in any kind of adherence to the law. In a nutshell, do you believe we are supposed to stay away from his theology? I ask because I always thought the Hebrew movement was trying to keep more laws, but the Messianic movement was just trying to reach lost jews. (maybe I should read the booklet  ) This is another area where I have to study and figure out with the help of the Holy Spirit. Used to be I just looked to the church to tell me what to believe, now I actually have to search the scriptures!! What a concept! | ||
| 8thday Registered user Username: 8thday Post Number: 1209 Registered: 11-2007 |
Chosen People is pretty good actually, very focused on reaching Jewish people for Christ. I heard one of their speakers once when we were first getting tangled up in the HRM. There were other people like us there seeking to be "under the law" asking him questions about finding a messianic synagogue. He hesitated and warned they are often legalistic. He was there to lift up Jesus, and we were there trying to find the Jewish Roots in the festivals and how to keep them. Our church also supports Chosen People Ministries, so if there is anything off there, I'm not aware of it. Still... always discerning. Sondra | ||
| Skeeter Registered user Username: Skeeter Post Number: 324 Registered: 12-2007 |
Thank you for the link. I printed it out so I can read it later. Skeeter | ||
| Bskillet Registered user Username: Bskillet Post Number: 583 Registered: 8-2008 |
From Grandt's book: Yep. Sums it all up perfectly. Not only what is wrong with the Messianic movement, but what is wrong today with evangelical Christianity as well. | ||
| Insearchof Registered user Username: Insearchof Post Number: 179 Registered: 8-2005 |
Bb, I am hardly an expert on MJism but I did attended for some weeks after I left the SDA church. I think it all depends on where the focus of the rabbi (and the members) is...the MJ congregation we worshipped with was as firmly planted in the Law as the SDA church was. Many of the members felt that Paul was violently taken out of context in regard to the Law and used all the same arguments that SDA's use to defend the Sabbath. We even had a couple of folks there that downplayed Paul's epistles because they felt he was soft on the Law and stressed that we only had 'part' of the story since the epistles were only one side of the communication - whatever than was supposed to mean. Not saying at all that this would be the norm with the Messianic movement since I have read some good stuff by and about them since I left teh SDA church, but it is out there. ISO | ||
| 8thday Registered user Username: 8thday Post Number: 1217 Registered: 11-2007 |
ISO As a movement, as a whole, this is extremely typical. They even have altered Bible translations to boot to make Paul say what they want him to say, and down play the "newness" of what Christ came to do. Not that there might be an exception out there, but there is a spirit driving this movement and it's not a spirit that exalts Jesus. Sondra | ||
| Bb Registered user Username: Bb Post Number: 554 Registered: 7-2004 |
I sat and talked with the rabbi, Larry Feldman. He has a congregation out in California, and he said that there are very legalistic messianic congregations, and that he is not the norm. He said that he thinks it is because he studied at Moody, and Dallas Theological Seminary, that he is more grounded in theology. He said when the sda's visit, they get very offended that he tells them the sabbath is no longer binding. | ||
| 8thday Registered user Username: 8thday Post Number: 1218 Registered: 11-2007 |
That's great Bb! There is a Jewish man that comes to speak at our church sometimes also - who is of this genre. He did a GREAT cd on the Sabbath, sent it to my mom... of course she could not agree. I would not classify these people as being part of the "movement" which main driving force is trying to get Christians to be Torah Observant. | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 10409 Registered: 12-2003  |
Sondra, I just have to say that while I understand your feelings about your sojourn in the Jewish Roots movement, I can see that God is redeeming it in significant ways. I know that I am really grateful that you can actually speak to the details and implications of the movement and have some sense of the whole MJ "thing" that most of us don't have. Your understanding and insight are so valuable. Praise God He wastes nothing and redeems everything we submit to Him! Colleen | ||
| Pegg Registered user Username: Pegg Post Number: 394 Registered: 2-2006 |
On CARM they even refuse to call themselves Christians. As in.... Pegg (Message edited by pegg on September 17, 2009) | ||
| 8thday Registered user Username: 8thday Post Number: 1233 Registered: 11-2007 |
Pegg, Yes, they can't go by "Christian" because that would be to identify themselves with what they believe has evolved into a pagan religion, with a Greek Jesus instead of a Hebrew one.. MOST of the people you are going to encounter online are not Jewish at all, fyi. Don't let them fool you. =) They believe that through claiming the Jewish Messiah, it grants them the right to be Israelites.. and they don't mind presenting themselves as if they are. One of our friends.. wearing tzit tzit in a grocery store (fringes) was approached by someone and asked if he was Jewish, and he told them yes!! I personally felt that while he may have been able to convince himself he was a "spiritual Jew" - it was incredibly misleading and dishonest to the person he was talking to. I always cringed when I heard stories like this. Many also change their names to Hebrew ones. Colleen, thank you for the encouragement. I was really in awe that God led this man to my blog, and that he was so amazed to also find someone who had been on a similar journey. He lives in Israel and writes under a pen name. He said he and his wife thought they were the only ones! He had been writing this booklet for a few years and had no idea what to do with it. I don't have a very wide sphere, but I told him his testimony was vital and I would LOVE to share it. Come to find out, he has very good long-time friends that live about ten minutes away from us. We have been in contact and hope to meet soon. This experience has been a HUGE blessing to me. Sondra |
