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| Indy4now Registered user Username: Indy4now Post Number: 702 Registered: 2-2008  |
I've started reading a book called, "What the Holy Spirit Does in a Believer's Life." It is a compilation of sermons that Charles Spurgeon taught on the Holy Spirit (compiled by Robert Hall). At the beginning of the book, there is a short biography on Spurgeon. I found it was interesting that he lived during the time of EGW, Bates, and the rest (1834-1892). He preached in London and his congregation grew to over 6,000 and added "well over 14,000 members during his thirty-eight-year London ministry." This is what I thought was most interesting.
I've heard over and over from many Adventists that EGW held the record for being the most "prolific" writer. This was supposedly a grand miracle since she only had a 3rd grade education (never mind she had writers and editors that "refined" her writings... plus she copied, which I think most 3rd graders are capable of doing) and had also been hit in the head with a rock that caused her to go into a coma. Has anyone else heard the Spurgeon is the most prolific Christian author? vivian p.s. maybe the distinction between the two is "Christian". | ||
| 8thday Registered user Username: 8thday Post Number: 1118 Registered: 11-2007  |
That's also on the back of one my Spurgeon books and I thought the same thing!! lol. Largest set of books by a single author in the history of Christianity. wow. I'm much more inclined to believe the claim of Spurgeons publishers than EGW's! | ||
| Skeeter Registered user Username: Skeeter Post Number: 183 Registered: 12-2007 |
At least I have never heard that Spurgeon copied from anyone else or that he claimed to be a "Prophet". I know... Ellen White "never claimed to be a Prophet" BALONEY ! She SAID she never claimed that title for herself... of course not because she claimed HER work was not ONLY that of a Prophet but much MORE. | ||
| Esther Registered user Username: Esther Post Number: 507 Registered: 5-2004 |
I think the actual claim is that Ellen is the most translated american writer...whereas Spurgeon would not be american. The difference between what Spurgeon was saying at the time and what Ellen was writing...well there is no comparison...give me Spurgeon any day  | ||
| Asurprise Registered user Username: Asurprise Post Number: 956 Registered: 7-2007 |
Curious, that right then when thousands and thousands of people were being converted to Christianity; that religions like Mormonism and Adventism would spring up. I'm not totally sure, but I think that even most Adventists would agree that God was using people like Spurgeon to bring the gospel to many many people. The Bible is complete from Genesis to Revelation, yet the SDA church and others think that God had NEW revelation for the last days - thus the start up of all the cults claiming "new" revelation. | ||
| Handmaiden Registered user Username: Handmaiden Post Number: 94 Registered: 7-2008 |
One of my favorite authors is Spurgeon. He truly is the prince of preachers. i have a book which has compiled all of his sermons on Jesus and the Holy Spirit. The difference between egw and Spurgeon is night and day. He was truly born again and had a great passion for Christ and a genuine love for the people Christ died for. He founded a college that trained over 900 preachers in his lifetime. He loved the little children as did our Lord Jesus and opened orphanages all over England to care and provide them. i know you will enjoy his writings. Please share what gems you receive in reading his sermons. love handmaiden | ||
| Indy4now Registered user Username: Indy4now Post Number: 703 Registered: 2-2008 |
I know that I'll love his writings... I already like the snippets that Sondra has posted here and there. ASurprise, that is an interesting thought... just when many people are being brought to Christ, Jehovah Witness, Mormons and Adventism are born. vivian | ||
| Dennis Registered user Username: Dennis Post Number: 1746 Registered: 4-2000  |
Interestingly, Charles Spurgeon had about 70 colporteurs to sell his books plus Bibles door-to-door. Knowing that his colporteurs could not comfortably live on commissions alone, Spurgeon generously subsidized their commissions with his royalty income. Together they were not only evangelism partners, but business partners as well. Sadly, Ellen White never subsidized her colporteurs. She kept all the royalties for herself and even threatened the SDA publishers (to take her business elsewhere) whenever they wanted to reduce her royalties so more people could afford to buy her books. She was clearly more interested in profiteering than in literature evangelism. Dennis Fischer (Message edited by Dennis on August 08, 2009) | ||
| Skeeter Registered user Username: Skeeter Post Number: 187 Registered: 12-2007 |
Sadly, Ellen White never subsidized her colporteurs. She kept all the royalties for herself and even threatened the SDA publishers (to take her business elsewhere) whenever they wanted to reduce her royalties so more people could afford to buy her books. " I have never heard that before. Please LMK where that information can be verified as I would love to share it with a few SDA's that come to mind..:-) | ||
| Psalm107v2 Registered user Username: Psalm107v2 Post Number: 388 Registered: 10-2008  |
Love Spurgeon. You can get a daily dose of his writings emailed to youby going to http://www.thedailyspurgeon.com/----much better than those compilations of EGW that the publishers keep churning out | ||
| Gcfrankie Registered user Username: Gcfrankie Post Number: 553 Registered: 1-2007 |
Psalm, I tried the page and it came up does not exist. Gail | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 7334 Registered: 3-2004  |
Enoch, I tried also, just now, and it came up does not exist. Diana L | ||
| Philharris Registered user Username: Philharris Post Number: 1769 Registered: 5-2007  |
There were extra letters in Enoch's link. Try this: http://www.thedailyspurgeon.com Fearless Phil | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 7337 Registered: 3-2004 |
Thanks Phil. Diana L | ||
| Hec Registered user Username: Hec Post Number: 414 Registered: 3-2009 |
Denis could you give us the reference where we can document that EGW threatened to take her business somewhere else? Thanks, Hec | ||
| Dennis Registered user Username: Dennis Post Number: 1747 Registered: 4-2000 |
Selling Visions In one reference where Ellen White threatened to take her book publishing business elsewhere is found at the following link (simply scroll down toward the end of article): http://www.ellenwhiteexposed.com/egw25.htm Another related source is found in an article by Dr. Jack Gent entitled, "The Desirer of Wages" at: www.truthorfables.com. There are still other statements verifying Ellen White being upset with reduced royalty payments (from SDA publishers) that I don't recall where I read them at the moment. All in all, she blamed the whole idea of a reduced royalty on the devil. Even though other SDA authors had taken reduced royalties or none at all, Ellen White was always the exception to any rule or policy. In one instance, she even lamented that the money given the canvassers should have been given to her instead. Dennis Fischer | ||
| Asurprise Registered user Username: Asurprise Post Number: 964 Registered: 7-2007 |
Eewww!!! That is SO creepy!!! She sold her soul and the souls of millions for money!!! And some of the leaders of the church know better. They too, are selling their's and other people's souls!!!!  | ||
| Dennis Registered user Username: Dennis Post Number: 1748 Registered: 4-2000 |
PS: Notice the stark contrast between Ellen White and Charles Spurgeon in regard to the remuneration and treatment given to their "colporteurs" or direct salesmen. Without any set policies or suggestions, Charles Spurgeon voluntarily shared his royalty income with his colporteurs. Truly, the Gospel breeds generosity wherever it takes root. Dennis Fischer | ||
| Hec Registered user Username: Hec Post Number: 417 Registered: 3-2009 |
Thanks, Denis for the info. Hec | ||
| Dennis Registered user Username: Dennis Post Number: 1749 Registered: 4-2000 |
Gems from Charles Spurgeon, the prince of preachers: "A good character is the best tombstone. Those who loved you and were helped by you will remember you when forget-me-nots have withered. Carve your name on hearts, not marble." "A sinner cannot more repent and believe without the Holy Spirit's aid than he can create a world." "It is not how much we have, but how much we enjoy, that makes happiness." Dennis Fischer | ||
| Dennis Registered user Username: Dennis Post Number: 1750 Registered: 4-2000 |
Hec, Here is another quote from Ellen White about her book publishing business:
Dennis Fischer | ||
| Hec Registered user Username: Hec Post Number: 419 Registered: 3-2009 |
I'm speechless! Hec | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 2938 Registered: 10-2004  |
And remember, this was supposedly "God's Word" that she was selling/profiting from! The Bible writers did not charge for God's Word! Jeremy | ||
| Bb Registered user Username: Bb Post Number: 502 Registered: 7-2004 |
The irony is that she was STEALING WORDS, and DEMANDING fair payment for them!! | ||
| Bosslady Registered user Username: Bosslady Post Number: 9 Registered: 7-2009 |
I was scanning articles in the archives of Review and Heralds published in the 1800's and noticed some articles they published by Spurgeon. I found it interesting. guess I thought only those of the "inner circle" were published in the R&H back then. |
