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Bskillet Registered user Username: Bskillet
Post Number: 453 Registered: 8-2008
| Posted on Monday, July 20, 2009 - 7:32 am: | |
I remember hearing Paul Carden, at the last FAF annual meeting, say that Ellen White said something like imputed righteousness or justification by faith was demonic deception. Does anyone know what EGW quote he was referencing? |
Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy
Post Number: 2895 Registered: 10-2004
| Posted on Monday, July 20, 2009 - 5:50 pm: | |
Bskillet, I'm not sure, but perhaps he was referencing the following quote:
quote:"Those who are teaching this doctrine today have much to say in regard to faith and the righteousness of Christ; but they pervert the truth, and make it serve the cause of error. They declare that we have only to believe on Jesus Christ, and that faith is all-sufficient; that the righteousness of Christ is to be the sinner's credentials; that this imputed righteousness fulfils the law for us, and that we are under no obligation to obey the law of God. This class claim that Christ came to save sinners, and that he has saved them. 'I am saved,' they will repeat over and over again. But are they saved while transgressing the law of Jehovah?--No; for the garments of Christ's righteousness are not a cloak for iniquity. Such teaching is a gross deception, and Christ becomes to these persons a stumbling-block as he did to the Jews,--to the Jews because they would not receive him as their personal Saviour; to these professed believers in Christ, because they separate Christ and the Law, and regard faith as a substitute for obedience. They separate the Father and the Son, the Saviour of the world. Virtually they teach, both by precept and example, that Christ, by his death, saves men in their transgressions." (The Signs of the Times, 02-25-1897, "The Law and the Gospel," paragraph 7.)
And here's another similar quote:
quote:"He said, 'If any man will come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; for what is a man profited if he gain the whole world and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul? For the son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his holy angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.' Those teachers who ignore works and would teach that all you have to do is to believe in Christ, are rebuked by the Saviour of the world. Faith is made perfect by works. The cry will come to us from the servers of Mammon: You are too exacting; we cannot be saved by works. Was Christ exacting? He placed the salvation of man, not upon his believing, not upon his profession, but upon his faith made perfect by his works. Doing, and not saying merely, was required of the followers of Christ. Principle is always exacting. Our country claims of fathers and mothers, their sons, the brothers, the husbands, to be given up, to leave their homes for the field of carnage and bloodshed. They must go and face peril, endure privation and hunger, weariness and loneliness; they must make long marches, footsore and weary, through heat of summer and through winter's cold; they run the risk of life. They are compelled to follow the commander. Sometimes they are not even allowed time to eat. And all this severe experience is in consequence of sin. There is an enemy to meet, an enemy to be resisted; enemies of our country will destroy her peace and bring disaster and ruin, unless driven back and repulsed. Conquer or die is the motto." (The Signs of the Times, 01-15-1880, "Christ's Followers the Light of the World," paragraph 6.)
Jeremy |
Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker
Post Number: 10155 Registered: 12-2003
| Posted on Monday, July 20, 2009 - 7:04 pm: | |
Thanks for the quotes, Jeremy. Ellen directly contradicts the Bible which tells us that Jesus DOES save us in our transgressions: "But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved)" (Eph 2:4-5). It is being saved in our transgressions that makes it possible for us to become free from sin. We can't get rid of sin by "obedience" or will power. We can only begin to get rid of it by being born again and submitting to the Lord Jesus and His Spirit to convict us of our behaviors and to change our desires. These changes happen as a consequence, not as a cause, of salvation. Colleen |
Helovesme2 Registered user Username: Helovesme2
Post Number: 2107 Registered: 8-2004
| Posted on Monday, July 20, 2009 - 7:22 pm: | |
"It is being saved in our transgressions that makes it possible for us to become free from sin. We can't get rid of sin by "obedience" or will power. We can only begin to get rid of it by being born again and submitting to the Lord Jesus and His Spirit to convict us of our behaviors and to change our desires. These changes happen as a consequence, not as a cause, of salvation." Amen! It's all about Him! |
Bskillet Registered user Username: Bskillet
Post Number: 456 Registered: 8-2008
| Posted on Monday, July 20, 2009 - 8:25 pm: | |
Ick. Just reading her quotes makes me feel sick. |
Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady
Post Number: 7265 Registered: 3-2004
| Posted on Monday, July 20, 2009 - 8:27 pm: | |
Yeah Bskillet, I understand how you feel. Diana L |
Hec Registered user Username: Hec
Post Number: 369 Registered: 3-2009
| Posted on Tuesday, July 21, 2009 - 1:18 pm: | |
Ditto, Brent. Hec |
Pnoga Registered user Username: Pnoga
Post Number: 268 Registered: 1-2007
| Posted on Thursday, July 23, 2009 - 10:15 am: | |
What a blatant contradiction. Ellen stated " For the son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his holy angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.' Those teachers who ignore works and would teach that all you have to do is to believe in Christ, are rebuked by the Saviour of the world. Faith is made perfect by works." And this is what Jesus said Joh 6:28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Joh 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent. And of works being the keeping the law through faith Paul clearly states Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. Gal 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. Gal 3:12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. Paul |
Freeatlast Registered user Username: Freeatlast
Post Number: 614 Registered: 5-2002
| Posted on Friday, July 24, 2009 - 7:44 am: | |
Bearing fruit is something we need not concern ourselves with. Fruit-bearing has been promised by God Himself! "Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and [that] your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you." John 15:16 What God has ordained must therefore come to pass. It's not up to us to bear fruit, it's up to Him to bear fruit in us. |
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