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Seekinglight
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Username: Seekinglight
Post Number: 311
Registered: 3-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - 12:23 pm: |     |
River, I'm not a counselor, if that is what you mean. I'm a business psychologist who is trained to apply human thought/behavioral principles and research to solving problems in the workplace. Currently, I'm in the world of macademia nuts....uh...I mean academia. So, I teach at a univ. and do research rather than consult in organizations.
As to your question regarding the function of an SDA university--well, I'm not sure exactly what you're asking about that. The SDA university functions about the same as the secular ones I've attended and taught at--except tuition is more expensive. The students behave rather similarly except there's less smoking, partying (although SDA students do their share), and you overhear less swearing when you walk on campus. However, I've seen much more cheating, entitlement attitude, dishonesty, and disrespect from SDA students than I ever saw in the secular students I've taught. My syllabi are all at least 20 pages long, and I add to them every semester to deal with the issues that arise.
Brent, I haven't read the book you mentioned, but I've seen it before. Carol Cannon is probably not too popular with conservative SDAs. She's a counselor who specializes in addictions and she has kinda gone against the SDA status-quo. I think she's still an SDA, but not quite sure. Anyway, she has established an in-patient treatment facility called The Bridge to Recovery: http://www.thebridgetorecovery.com/index.htm
I heard someone say elsewhere on this forum that they went there and received a lot of good help. The experience actually began their exit from Adventism. At "The Bridge" they have a whole program for folks who have been spiritually abused. Other programs are for substance abuse and other kinds of addictions. They vary from 2 weeks to 3 months in length. I've known a few friends who have gone through treatment there and said it was very helpful for them.
(Message edited by seekinglight on August 05, 2009)
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Seekinglight
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Username: Seekinglight
Post Number: 312
Registered: 3-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - 12:24 pm: | |
Lol, I was posting as you were posting, Hec.  I'm surprised that the SDAs haven't disowned Carol Cannon, but from what I've heard, she is still very respected in the SDA community. |
Flyinglady
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Username: Flyinglady
Post Number: 7316
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - 2:46 pm: | |
Leigh_Anne,
As I logged onto here today I remembered that as an SDA Christian my Mom bought her romance stories magazines with very good descriptions of what goes on between a man and woman. I discovered them, where ever Mom hid them, before I started first grade and became addicted to what I call written pornography. How I never got caught reading them in that small house with so many kids, I will never know. So I did read more than the RD and NG. I would read Mom's magazines and put them back where I found them before she found me.
Diana L |
Nowisee
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Username: Nowisee
Post Number: 61
Registered: 5-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - 10:24 pm: | |
Good questions, Grace! In my family, we were definitely considered to be more 'holy' if we read only SDA books, etc. They were the best. Then there were non-SDA books that were OK (no fiction!). I have distinct memories of a small blue book called 'Little Ellen' that I had at 3-4 yrs. I couldn't read, but did color in the pictures with crayons. Now that I realize what it was teaching me...yuck! We were read bedtime stories from Uncle Arthur. I remember liking them, but I suspect that they helped me to grow up feeling guilty about most everything!
I started reading early & my mom wasn't terribly strict--she loved reading, too. I discovered the Bobbsey Twins & Nancy Drew later--innocent little mysteries. At 11-12 yrs, I bought Nancy Drew books on my birthdays--they cost a whole dollar! We took a trip to visit some strict relatives & mom told me not to let them see me reading Nancy Drew. Huh? I didn't understand that what I was doing was so bad--
We never, ever were allowed to read fairy tales, but we could have any SDA Bible Story books we wanted. I've never read Shakespeare.
What?! Dick, Jane & Sally books were changed?! I had no idea. Poor air-brushed family. I'd really like to know the story behind the SDA's getting their own version of those books! Sounds pretty weird to me...
I never read the Narnia books until I was an adult & couldn't believe they are all about Christ vs. Satan. What wonderful books!
When I was at Loma Linda U. I started buying my own books & of course devoured lots of novels!! Now that I've had a new-birth experience in my life I have found the Bible & Christian books to be the ultimate in excitement! The Bible is no longer the dry & dusty Book I read while under the spell of Adventism & EGW! It's all new & fabulous!!!
And I distinctly remember having a kind of lonely, depressed feeling while reading the Review & Herald, etc--so happy that's gone now!! |
Seekinglight
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Username: Seekinglight
Post Number: 318
Registered: 3-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2009 - 5:56 am: | |
quote:What?! Dick, Jane & Sally books were changed?! I had no idea. Poor air-brushed family. I'd really like to know the story behind the SDA's getting their own version of those books! Sounds pretty weird to me...
My mom homeschooled me for grades 1 and 2, and I learned to read from those SDA-version Dick, Jane, & Sally books. Yeah, from what I recall, they were pretty unrealistic. The girls always wore skirts and a token African American child was given a cameo appearance every now and then. No other ethnicities were represented that I recall, but that could just b/c the books were from the 80's.
quote:And I distinctly remember having a kind of lonely, depressed feeling while reading the Review & Herald, etc--so happy that's gone now!!
I agree! I always felt like I needed Prozac after reading SDA material. Clifford Goldstein writes pieces in the "The Review" regularly, and I remember feeling confused and lethargic after reading them--even when I was an unquestioning SDA. |
Philharris
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Username: Philharris
Post Number: 1762
Registered: 5-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2009 - 6:51 am: | |
My my,
I also learned to read from these books. I had no idea they were an SDA slanted version. My First Grade (SDA school) books were stolen from me the following summer in a mountain mill camp and I was 'forced' to read ordinary adult level book in their place. Now, I can be glad they were removed from my life and exchanged for real high quality reading.
That was sixty years ago and I can finally see God's hand in their removal from my life.
Wow, the way God works in our lives in even the 'small' things is amazing!
Fearless Phil |
Skeeter
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Username: Skeeter
Post Number: 180
Registered: 12-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2009 - 9:29 pm: | |
I home schooled our 2 oldest sons for a while, but did not use SDA books... I enrolled them in a correspondence school and ordered the A Beka Book series of Christian books out of Pensacola Florida (I think).
I didn't know SDA's had their own Dick, Jane and Sally books, but I do know there was a Catholic version of them. There was only one of the DJ+Sally books (in public schools) that had an African American family and I had heard that it was discontinues as they looked just like the "white" family, but with darker skin.. same features, etc.
I dont know if that was really the reason or not but was told that by a collector of childrens books several years ago. |
Hec
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Username: Hec
Post Number: 409
Registered: 3-2009
| | Posted on Friday, August 07, 2009 - 12:37 pm: | |
The Florida Conference, some time ago, prohibited its schools from using the Beka curriculum because it has some "negative inferences" about SDA. I never read them or knew what the inferences were. But the Superintendent of Education told us that we couldn't use them even as supplements.
Hec |
Skeeter
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Username: Skeeter
Post Number: 181
Registered: 12-2007
| | Posted on Friday, August 07, 2009 - 3:04 pm: | |
Yea, well the A Beka Book series is a really good curriculim and teaches Bible based lessons.
I did NOT ask permission of the SDA church, neither did I ask their opinion on using them. I would recommend them to anyone wanting to home school their kids. I did for a few years until we had the chance (darn it) to send the kids to a SDA elementary school.... the school was about 30 miles away so we car pooled with another family in our area. |
Bb
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Username: Bb
Post Number: 495
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Friday, August 07, 2009 - 7:18 pm: | |
Skeeter, I carpooled my kids to sda schools 30 miles away too...thought I was doing such a good thing, now I regret the wasted time and money!! |
Skeeter
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Username: Skeeter
Post Number: 184
Registered: 12-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, August 08, 2009 - 10:46 am: | |
Skeeter, I carpooled my kids to sda schools 30 miles away too...thought I was doing such a good thing, now I regret the wasted time and money!!
Yea..... SIGH........ My only comfort in that is that I know that God knows I was doing what I THOUGHT at the time was the right thing for my children.. I have since prayed for His forgiveness for being mistaken about what He wanted. Just seemed at the time to be better than the Public schools that were teaching evolution theories, etc. In fact I remember one time one of our Foster children (before we adopted them) told me that in the classroom they had this big long poster showing the evolution of man from ape to man.. I went to the school and talked to the teacher about it. I told her that maybe SHE believed that HER ancestors came from monkeys, but MINE came straight from the hand of GOD. She sympathized as she said she was a Christian and that while part of her job at a public school was to have that poster up, she took it down within a few days and said she was trying to find ways around teaching evolution even though she was not allowed at a public school to teach the Christian viewpoint.She said she would say things to the students like "some people THINK " etc instead of stating things as facts. I guess working in a public school there is only so much they can do. |
Handmaiden
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Username: Handmaiden
Post Number: 96
Registered: 7-2008
| | Posted on Sunday, August 09, 2009 - 12:22 am: | |
i homeschooled both of my children using the Abeka books.
In their books on church history, they come right out and name egw a false prophet and the sda as a cult...no bones about it.
They say that satan's response or counter attack to the great missionary movement in the 1800's was to have a shot gun affect of starting many "christian" cults...lds, sda, jw, "christian" science and lets not forget evolution.... all in the same time frame as the great missionary movement and 2nd great awakening, when many were coming to the Lord.
i loved the Abeka books and homeschooling my children.
i did (sigh) have to counter act their teaching on the Baptism of the Holy Spirit.
love
handmaiden |
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