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Max
| | Posted on Sunday, January 14, 2001 - 3:47 am: |     |
After the final destruction of the Nazi tyranny,
they [peoples of de-Nazified Europe] hope to
see established a peace which will afford to
all nations the means of dwelling in safety
within their own boundaries, and which will
afford assurance that all the men in all the
lands may live out their lives in freedom from
fear and want.
--Franklin Delano Roosevelt and Winston
Churchill [jointly], Atlantic Charter, drawn up
aborad the U.S.S. Augusta in Argentia Harbor,
Newfoundland [issued Aguust 14, 1941] |
Max
| | Posted on Sunday, January 14, 2001 - 3:57 am: | |
GUNS OR BUTTER
We can do without butter, but, despite all our
love of peace, not without arms. One cannot
shoot with butter but with guns.
--Paul Joseph Goebbels, Address in Berlin
[January 17, 1936] |
Max
| | Posted on Sunday, January 14, 2001 - 4:00 am: | |
GEORGE BRUSH is my name
America's my nation
Luddington's my dwelling place
And Heaven's my destination.
--Thornton Niven Wilder, Heaven's My
Destination [1934], title page poem labeled by
Wilder: "Doggerel verse which children of the
Middle West were accustomed to write n their
schoolbooks." |
Max
| | Posted on Sunday, January 14, 2001 - 4:17 am: | |
There is ... no reason to believe that
ADVENTISM is a sect in the course of
transformation into a denomination.
--Malcolm Bull and Keith Lockhart, SEEKING A
SANCTUARY: Seventh-day Adventism and the
American Dream (San Francisco: Harper &
Row, 1989), p.267. |
Max
| | Posted on Sunday, January 14, 2001 - 4:20 am: | |
What is unusual in ADVENTISM is not the
process [joining and leaving the church] itself
but the fact that it takes place almost entirely
within an alternative society at odds with
American culture.
--Malcolm Bull and Keith Lockhart, SEEKING A
SANCTUARY: Seventh-day Adventism and the
American Dream (San Francisco: Harper &
Row, 1989), p.267. |
Max
| | Posted on Sunday, January 14, 2001 - 4:27 am: | |
ADVENTISM is a movement at variance with
the mainstream of American society. It recruits
from mainline Protestant denominations.
Adventists who exit for the third phase [SDAs
reentering American society at a higher socio-
economic level than that from which they
came before joining] are liable to become
unchurched or to rejoin the mainline [such as
the Methodists, Presbyterians, Episcopalians,
Baptists, etc. -- but not Pentecostals or
Unitarians].
--Malcolm Bull and Keith Lockhart, SEEKING A
SANCTUARY: Seventh-day Adventism and the
American Dream (San Francisco: Harper &
Row, 1989), p.267. |
Max
| | Posted on Sunday, January 14, 2001 - 10:16 am: | |
In Germany during the period of Hitler's
domination, the avoidance of confrontation
may have been a factor in the development of
the church's OPEN SUPPORT FOR THE NAZI
PARTY.
--Malcolm Bull and Keith Lockhart, SEEKING A
SANCTUARY: Seventh-day Adventism and the
American Dream (San Francisco: Harper &
Row, 1989), p.148.
Addendum: Evidentiary support for this
startling remark, one that the church, sans
being confronted with the evidence, will most
assuredly deny comes from:
1. Jack M. Patt, "Living in a Time of Trouble:
German Adventists under Nazi Rule,"
SPECTRUM 8:3 (1997): 2-10.
2. Erwin Sicher, "Seventh-day Adventist
Publications and the Nazi Temptation,"
SPECTRUM 8:3 (1977): 11-24. |
Valm
| | Posted on Sunday, January 14, 2001 - 9:38 pm: | |
Max, I am intrigued by your last post and tried to get into Spectrum magazine from Bill Thompson's site and could not. It said I wasn't authorized to do so. Is there another site to get to Spectrum reprints? I know I did at one time but did not have success tonight. |
Max
| | Posted on Monday, January 15, 2001 - 7:01 am: | |
Sorry I can't be of assistance, Valerie, on this
point. Except to ask, Have you tried searching
the Internet in general for information on SDA
church activities in Germany under Hitler and
immediately after? |
Valm
| | Posted on Monday, January 15, 2001 - 7:16 am: | |
No but now I am REALLY curious. Valerie |
Max
| | Posted on Monday, January 15, 2001 - 8:47 am: | |
Then look on the new thread: SEVENTH-DAY
ADVENTISTS IN NAZI GERMANY |
Allenette
| | Posted on Monday, January 15, 2001 - 9:07 pm: | |
Hi Max: did you just get that book or what? Just awonderin since I've pushed it on here off and on since my arrival here.
Glad you are posting things from it, since it is THE BEST BOOK on SDA I've ever found.
It is SO GOOD, that one wishes they could post a chapter at a time, no?
:-) |
Max
| | Posted on Monday, January 15, 2001 - 9:20 pm: | |
Heigh ho! my friend Allenette!
I got that book when it was first published in
1989. I saw it on a book shelf in the De Anza
College library in Cupertino on the San
Francisco peninsula. I was taking "post grad"
work there. I wrote down the publisher's info
and went immediately to A Clean Well-Lighted
Place for Books across the street and ordered
my own copy which I've had ever since.
Now, why don't you play nice-nice and POST
YOUR OWN GRAFS from it?
MC |
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