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| Surfy Registered user Username: Surfy Post Number: 537 Registered: 11-2007 |
This is in regards to the Letters to the Editor section of the last Proclamation. I am stunned. Do they (adventists) really believe that we think it is OK to sin? Where have we ever said that? What would lead someone to think that? And I am mystified about the guy who, after seeing the Holy Scriptures and the Clear Word, compared side by side can't hardly wait to run out and purchase the Clear Word. What part of Rev. 22:18,19 do they not understand? And they reject other translations, like the Message and NIV..to name a few, because it does not follow the KJV close enough but still embrace a version that is so far contrary to Scripture it makes me ill. Surfy just does not get it. Unfortunately, they cannot answer here..only read but I would really like to hear what they have to say. Maybe some of you can answer for them or something. Surfy | ||
| Jonvil Registered user Username: Jonvil Post Number: 298 Registered: 4-2007 |
‘you’ve done away with the law so you’re free to rape, pillage and murder’. I’ve lost track of the many times I’ve heard this ‘argument’, a result of their inability to accept the promise of the indwelling Holy Spirit to believers. Can’t really blame them though, in that they cannot assert to be a believer until after the IJ is completed, they cannot claim that promise. Lacking the Holy Spirit as their moral compass, they attempt to live moral lives through conformity to an external framework of laws (external obedience,their ‘sanctification’), without which they would immediately revert to ‘rape, pillage and murder’. There is little internal change, demonstrated by the strife prevalent in their churches. Remarkably similar to the Pharisees. John | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 4905 Registered: 9-2006  |
Amen John. You sure nailed that hide to the barn door. | ||
| Bskillet Registered user Username: Bskillet Post Number: 342 Registered: 8-2008 |
John, you're so right. We here this argument so often: "If you get rid of the Law, anything is permissible." Adventists simply fail to understand that ethics and the Law are two distinct things. Certainly there is overlap, but the Law of Moses does not define the ultimate truth of what is right and wrong. Even with in the Decalogue, we find things like a protection of the institution of slavery in the 10th commandment, or the view of women as chattel in the 10th commandment. The Law allows for polygamy, and also contains no command against lesbianism (the Hebrew wording of the 7th commandment is strictly speaking of breaking the bonds of male-female marriage relationship, not all forms of sexual deviancy). Adventists have fallen for the Covenant Theology lie that the Decalogue is "God's eternal moral law." The problem with this is that the Scriptures no where refer to the Decalogue as an "eternal moral law," but rather everywhere they refer explicitly to the Decalogue, the Scriptures call it God's covenant with the Israelite people who were freed from bondage in Egypt. I have been reading John G. Ressinger's Tablets of Stone and the History of Redemption, and he makes this overwhelmingly clear. The Decalogue is not God's eternal moral law. Moral right and wrong existed before the Decalogue, and after the Decalogue was replaced with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit in the New Covenant (2 Cor. 3). God was righteous before the Decalogue existed, and the Persons of the Trinity didn't need external tables fo stone to know that God is righteous. If God can know Himself to be righteous without the Decalogue, then the Decalogue cannot be the eternal definition of right and wrong. | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 4906 Registered: 9-2006 |
While Moses was on the mountain receiving the big ten, they were down in the valley beating their gold into idols. It appears that a person could easily beat his bracelets and ear rings into a figure of the two stones and call that God. What is the difference in the figure of a calf and the figure of a stone? River | ||
| Cathy2 Registered user Username: Cathy2 Post Number: 361 Registered: 2-2006 |
" 'you’ve done away with the law so you’re free to rape, pillage and murder’ " LOL! What are we, Vikings? There is such a *disconnect* between Adventists and normal reality. On any subject. Amazing. Cathy2 | ||
| Hec Registered user Username: Hec Post Number: 226 Registered: 3-2009 |
The law is eternal. Meaning eternal as God. No beginning because it is the transcript of God's character. Now,
Hmmm Hec | ||
| Grace_alone Registered user Username: Grace_alone Post Number: 1451 Registered: 6-2006  |
Murder? Really? I'd like to know their definition of the abortion considering they perform them regularly in SDA hospitals. I've heard that rediculous excuse from my own in-laws. Funny thing is, they've never seen me murder, rape or pillage. I guess in their eyes though, wearing earrings and not keeping their SDA sabbath is bad enough!  Leigh Anne (Message edited by grace_alone on June 01, 2009) | ||
| Animal Registered user Username: Animal Post Number: 483 Registered: 7-2008  |
As the saying goes.... Let he who has done no wrong cast the first stone. It seems its OK for Adventists to err, but not OK for the "Gentiles" to err. Amazing !! ..Animal, your humble, erring Gentile | ||
| Indy4now Registered user Username: Indy4now Post Number: 531 Registered: 2-2008  |
I asked my mom what would she do if tomorrow there were no 10C's. Would she go out a commit a murder? She replied (and seriously), "I don't know." This tells me she relies more on the 10C's than she does on Jesus... sad. Jonvil and BSkillet... great posts. ~vivian | ||
| Pegg Registered user Username: Pegg Post Number: 116 Registered: 2-2006 |
Oh my!  | ||
| Gcfrankie Registered user Username: Gcfrankie Post Number: 458 Registered: 1-2007 |
What gets me with the letters to the editor is what sda write. They don't just ask to have their names removed from the mailing list but then go on a rant, does that show christian love? I don't think so! I guess they think they have the only exclusive corner on God. If anyone is raping, pilliging and murdering it is them by what they teach and how they change God's word and Jesus's teachings through their so-called (false) prophetess. The bible tells us to judge not least you be judged, and they are good at judging others who are not sda. Gail | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 4916 Registered: 9-2006 |
Oh, I think Proclamation just infuriates many of them, because they see happy people who are truly happy in Christ and they don't have that. Neither do they have the Holy Spirit dwelling in their hearts and they know something is missing and Proclamation! scares the crap out of them. I think they cannot understand someone who is going to hell with a smile on their face. I think they cannot understand someone who puts all their faith in the Lord Jesus and finds true peace. I think when all the activity is done and they are alone with the beat of their own heart, they feel deep down a sense of dread and that something is wrong. The lashing out is what gives them relief. To the perishing the gospel is death and to the saved it is peace and it is life. If Procalamtion! came from the outside, it would not phase them, but its coming from inside, from people who are obviously well educated by their own system and is against it. This is what scares them the most. Like the little boy who whistled in the dark to keep the booger away, I think it is all just whistling in the dark, simply bluster as some animals do when they feel threatened. Like the ape who protrudes out his chest and beats on it they are protruding the chest and drumming on it. They want to scare the boogy man away. The thing is that they cannot and it infuriates them all the more. They really are to be pitied and pay no mind to the bluster, if you do they think it is working. Just some thoughts on the subject, I may be wrong, is just my thinking on it for now. River | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 9924 Registered: 12-2003  |
I think you're right, River. Richard always says that those angry people are the ones who are the most likely to respond to the gospel someday. The indifferent, the ones who disdain the magazine are the hardest to reach because their hearts are more hardened to spiritual things. The very angry are often the ones who feel some passion for their beliefs and are willing to engage in discussion. The passionless ones are far less likely to respond. Of course, these are generalizations, but I believe what you said above, River. Colleen |
