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| Jorgfe Registered user Username: Jorgfe Post Number: 1510 Registered: 11-2005 |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU Perhaps the biggest proof that there will be no Seventh-day Adventist Universal Sunday Law... | ||
| Jorgfe Registered user Username: Jorgfe Post Number: 1511 Registered: 11-2005 |
I take everything with a "grain of salt", and I think that it is important to verify facts. I think the video serves as a useful catalyst to produce thoughtful consideration of the veracity of Adventism's bold claims that they alone have a special message that the whole world is going to unite against "faithful" Seventh-day Adventists in forcing a Universal Sunday Law backed up by a Universal Death Decree. The evidence would indicate that, while Adventists are not alone in making false predictions, that their "vision for the future" has no basis in fact. First, Adventism's claim: "When Protestantism shall stretch her hand across the gulf to grasp the hand of the Roman power, when she shall reach over the abyss to clasp hands with spiritualism, when, under the influence of this threefold union, our country shall repudiate every principle of its Constitution as a Protestant and republican government and shall make provision for the propagation of papal falsehoods and delusions, then we may know that the time has come for the marvelous working of Satan and that the end is near." Testimonies to the Church, Vol 5, p. 451 (1885) "This very class put forth the claim that the fast-spreading corruption is largely attributable to the desecration of the so-called 'Christian sabbath,' and that the enforcement of Sunday observance could greatly improve the morals of society. This claim is especially urged in America, where the doctrine of the true Sabbath has been most widely preached" Great Controversy, p. 587 "Foreign nations will follow the example of the United States. Though she leads out, yet the same crisis will come upon our people in all parts of the world" Testimonies to the Church, Vol. 6, p. 395 "As America, the land of religious liberty, shall unite with the papacy in forcing the conscience and compelling men to honor the false sabbath, the people of every country on the globe will be led to follow her example" Testimonies to the Church, Vol. 6, p. 18 "And all who prove their loyalty by obedience to the law of Jehovah must be prepared to be arrested, to be brought before councils that have not for their standard the high and holy law of God." Maranatha p. 195 "The Sabbath question is to be the issue in the great final conflict in which all the world will act a part" Testimonies to the Church, Vol. 6, p. 352 "As the Sabbath has become the special point of controversy throughout Christendom, and religious and secular authorities have combined to enforce the observance of the Sunday, the persistent refusal of a small minority to yield to the popular demand will make them objects of universal execration" Great Controversy, p. 615 "All Christendom will be divided into two great classes--those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus, and those who worship the beast and his image and receive his mark" Great Controversy, p. 450, Testimonies to the Church, p. 16, Selected Messages, Vol. 2, p. 55 "The decree enforcing the worship of this day is to go forth to all the world...Trial and persecution will come to all who, in obedience to the Word of God, refuse to worship this false sabbath" Seventh-day Adventist Bible Commentary, Vol. 7, p. 976 "The whole world is to be stirred with enmity against Seventh-day Adventists, because they will not yield homage to the papacy, by honoring Sunday, the institution of this antichristian power. It is the purpose of Satan to cause them to be blotted from the earth, in order that his supremacy of the world may not be disputed" Testimonies to Ministers, p. 37, Review and Herald, August 22, 1893 Now let's look at some facts: Its time to wake up and become familiar with the world's vital statistics. Europe is now witnessing the largest influx in human history. We are now witnessing profound changes that will forever alter Europe’s destiny. The take-over of Europe is part of the global fight of Islam for world domination. Christianity is a religion. Islam is a totalitarian political ideology. Islam’s heart lies in the Koran. The Koran is a book that calls for hatred, violence, murder, terrorism, war and submission. The Koran calls upon Muslims to kill non-Muslims. The commands in the Koran are not limited by place or time. They apply for all time, to all Muslims. The Koran is Allah’s personal word. That leaves no room for interpretation. Therefore, there is no such thing as a moderate Islam. There are many moderate Muslims, but there is no moderate Islam. Muhammad is the model for all Muslims. Muhammad’s behavior inspired Iran’s former Ayatollah Khomeini to say, "The purest joy in Islam is to kill and to be killed for Allah." Currently over 32% of the world population is Christian. The Christian world community is growing 1.8% per year, which is just a little under the growth rate of the world population 1.85%. The Muslim world population is currently 23% and growing at over 2.5% a year. The figures indicate 85% Sunni and 15% Shi'a. Islam is the only world religion (not counting Bahai or Zoroastrians) which beat the generic growth of world population. Islam will attain parity with Christianity between 2035 and 2040. Wikipedia.org Just because there will be more Muslims, doesn't mean that the countries they live in will become "Islamic Republics", any more than most majority Christian countries are under religious rule. Relatively high birth rates in Muslim countries continue to make Islam a fast-growing religion. Many Muslims (and some non-Muslim) observers claim that there are more practicing Muslims than practicing Christians in the world. Adherants.com It is only a matter of time until the world population of Muslims passes up the world population of Christians, and yet Ellen White never even factored the Friday-worshipping Muslims into her "visions". The reason why is because she got her Protestant-Catholic Sunday Law viewpoint from Joseph Bates. In one fell swoop he was able to isolate all of Christendom from the fledgling White Party by using "Sunday worship" as the dividing wedge. Another example of Ellen White following Joseph Bates lead is her endorsement of the date 1851 to replace 1844. Joseph Bates determined that this was the "shut door" period that followed the "close of Probation". How? By the "seven spots of blood on the alter" representing the seven years after the "close of Probation" -- or the "shut door" in which Ellen said God showed her that there was no more use in praying for the "wicked". Then I saw that Jesus prayed for his enemies, but that should not cause us to pray for the wicked world, whom God had rejected — when he prayed for his enemies, there was hope for them… but now his spirit and sympathy were withdrawn from the world; and our sympathy must be with Jesus, and must be withdrawn from the ungodly… I saw that the wicked could not be benefited by our prayers now… I saw that the scripture did not mean the wicked whom God had rejected that we must love, but he meant our neighbors in the household, and did not extend beyond the household. (Camden, N.Y. vision on June 29, 1851) Adventists have this "death wish", this martyr complex, a David Koresh (who was also Seventh-day Adventist) mentality that causes them to look for the Roman Cathoic Church behind every potentially apocalyptic world event. With some pride they announce that they alone are God's end-time "ark of safety" -- and yet their prophet grants them no assurance of salvation! Ellen White tells us: Those who accept the Saviour, however sincere their conversion, should never be taught to say or to feel that they are saved. This is misleading. (Christ Object Lessons, page 155) As long as man is full of weakness–for of himself he cannot save his soul–he should never dare to say, "I am saved." (Selected Messages, vol 1, page 314) God's Word tells us: These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God: that ye may know that ye have eternal life... 1 John 5:13 | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 4693 Registered: 9-2006  |
Very interesting Gilbert. When you subtract all that are actually born again Christians from the ones who claim Christianity and then stack that against all those in the world that are not born again, Muslem, Catholic, Jewish and protestant plus Seventh Day Adventist we are very few. In the story of the marriage supper Jesus said this Matthew 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen. Why are they not chosen? Because they have not put on Christ (Do not have a wedding garment). For instance out of fifteen million Adventist,it would suprise me if 300 are actually born again and living at this time. I have no way of knowing that mind you, I'm just guessing. But God will have a people no matter what, his church, his bride and the ones that are his go in the power of Christ and the enemies of Christ will be brought low. As long as man is full of weakness–for of himself he cannot save his soul–he should never dare to say, "I am saved." (Selected Messages, vol 1, page 314) Corinthians I says in 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. Corinthians I 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. Corinthians I 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. Salvation is freely given and we have received his Spirit which makes us to know his gift. But Ellen White was not able to spiritually discern this. What does that tell you? Seems like a logical and straight forward answer to me. River | ||
| Blessed Registered user Username: Blessed Post Number: 303 Registered: 1-2007 |
Gilbert, I sent your link to an Adventist friend and this is the reply that I received back: Very Sobering! A scary thought! That would be all the more reason for the Catholic Church to push for Sunday laws, because it would feel threatened and mandate it…….however, no matter what Jesus Christ and His gospel will ultimately be victorious….this just gives me one more reason to believe He is coming soon! I do not understand why all this comes back to the Catholic church and Sunday laws. Our threat is Muslims and ideology that has nothing to do with Christ. Why do they not get it!! It's been a long day. | ||
| 8thday Registered user Username: 8thday Post Number: 879 Registered: 11-2007  |
Youth Pastor showed this to my son's youth group Wed. night. Pretty sobering. Here is another one - DO NOT WATCH WITH CHILDREN IN THE ROOM. This really astounded me too. http://perfectlyhuman.multiply.com/video/item/8 It's about 8 minutes and it outlines the strategy Islam has used to take over countries, and is in the process of still doing. It does not take a very large Muslim population to force a country into very drastic situations. Many middle eastern countries had large Christian populations, but not now as radical Islam has taken them over. I highly recommend this one too. Roman Catholicism has not been able to stand in the way of this. You will not get Muslims to honor Sunday, which to them represents Jesus Christ and Christianity. You will not get them to honor Sabbath, representing the Jewish people they hate with a vile hatred. So you have a HUGE part of the world that will not take the sda Mark of the Beast, or the seal of God. Big problem. Sondra | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 6852 Registered: 3-2004  |
Gilbert, I have already seen your video suggestion. Sondra I will look at yours also. I know that what ever happens that God will take care of His children. He has promised He will never leave us or forsake us in Heb 13. He is awesome in everything He does. Diana L | ||
| Dennis Registered user Username: Dennis Post Number: 1659 Registered: 4-2000  |
Likewise, the late Samuele Bacchiocchi criticized Ellen White for not factoring the Muslim threat into her end-time scenario. Anti-Catholicism was rampant during early Adventism. This resulted in Ellen White actually giving up Trinitarianism in preference to her husband's Arianism. Dennis Fischer | ||
| Dennis Registered user Username: Dennis Post Number: 1661 Registered: 4-2000 |
Al Jazeera Joins Cable Lineup in D. C. NPR reported today that the Al Jazeera world news network (English-language edition) is now featured in the TV cable lineup in Washington, D. C. This is the first American city to grant this Islamic programming direct from Qator. This cable option reflects an historic and notable Muslim inroad to our country. Dennis Fischer (Message edited by Dennis on May 02, 2009) | ||
| Helovesme2 Registered user Username: Helovesme2 Post Number: 1966 Registered: 8-2004  |
Not unlike the Christian inroads that have been made all over the world with our religious broadcasting. | ||
| Dennis Registered user Username: Dennis Post Number: 1662 Registered: 4-2000 |
Mary, Christian programming is strictly forbidden in Qator. It is still a capital offense (apostasy) for a Qatari Muslim to convert to Christianity. The Islamic world is increasingly demanding religious liberty for themselves in non-Muslim areas while simultaneously denying the same rights to Christians in many of their countries. Dennis Fischer | ||
| Dennis Registered user Username: Dennis Post Number: 1663 Registered: 4-2000 |
Mary, Christian programming is strictly forbidden in Qator. It is still a capital offense (apostasy) for a Qatari Muslim to convert to Christianity. The Islamic world is increasingly demanding religious liberty for themselves in non-Muslim areas while simultaneously denying the same rights to Christians in many of their countries. Dennis Fischer | ||
| Helovesme2 Registered user Username: Helovesme2 Post Number: 1968 Registered: 8-2004 |
Your point? | ||
| Dennis Registered user Username: Dennis Post Number: 1664 Registered: 4-2000 |
Mary, My point is that the Christian and Islamic methods of outreach are vastly different as Gilbert well stated. Dennis Fischer | ||
| Helovesme2 Registered user Username: Helovesme2 Post Number: 1969 Registered: 8-2004 |
What do you propose to do about it? | ||
| Dennis Registered user Username: Dennis Post Number: 1665 Registered: 4-2000 |
Mary, Like with Adventism, it is important to expose Islamic strategies as this thread is effectively doing. Living in the Great Plains of America, an area historically shielded from Muslim influence, I now realize that one of my physicians appears in the examining room with her religious headgear, my country is fighting two wars against Islam that is crippling our economy, Islamic criminals (infiltrators and jihadists) killed several thousand Americans on 9/11, etc. They have no shame nor any remorse. Interestingly, our SDA friends are not doing any better than their non-SDA counterparts because their revered prophetess failed to warn them of the impending Islamic threat as an end-time scenario. Thinking Adventists are increasingly pointing to this blind spot in their eschatology and realize that they are unprepared for this onslaught from Islamists instead of from the much-anticipated Jesuits supposedly hiding behind every bush. Dennis Fischer | ||
| Dennis Registered user Username: Dennis Post Number: 1666 Registered: 4-2000 |
Tortured for Christ A few minutes ago, the late Richard Wurmbrand's classic, 172-page book entitled "Tortured for Christ" arrived on my desk. Pastor Wurmbrand endured 14 years of Communist imprisonment and torture in his homeland of Romania (few names are better known among Romanian Christians today). Tortured for Christ has been translated into 65 languages and millions of copies have been distributed throughout the world. It was written in only three days shortly after his release from prison. But it was written with pen and tears. The late Rev. Wurmbrand was the founder of The Voice of the Martyrs and the author of many books. Dennis Fischer | ||
| Asurprise Registered user Username: Asurprise Post Number: 759 Registered: 7-2007 |
Hmmmmm.... I wonder why Ellen White didn't predict what a threat that Islam is to the world? And she wrote her prophecies out in such detail too! If Islam is supposed to "help" to bring in the "Sunday law," why didn't she predict it? Here's a proposal by Islamics to bring a resolution before the UN, that would make it illegal to criticize Islam by any citizen of a country that is a member of the UN. (If the resolution should pass, that is.) It's: http://www.aclj.org/TrialNotebook/Read.aspx?id=744 Now, no "Sunday law" would be possible if this passed!!! |
