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| Asurprise Registered user Username: Asurprise Post Number: 740 Registered: 7-2007 |
Doesn't Ellen White somewhere (perhaps in "The Great Controversy) say that people will leave the "Sunday" churches (although if someone really knows what Christianity is, they won't be "keeping" Sunday or any day), and join with the Adventists; and be amazed that they had been in "Babylon"?? I'm amazed too that I've been in "Babylon" and come out with the Lord's miraculous help! Ellen White had it exactly backwards! All the false religions are Babylon. (Of course "Babylon" in Revelation might mean a specific religion - I don't know.) And, has anyone noticed that ALL the false religions ADD to the Bible? The Catholic ADD tradition and the popes sayings (papal bulls), the Adventists ADD all of Ellen White's writings, J.W.s add the Watchtower society, etc. etc. | ||
| 8thday Registered user Username: 8thday Post Number: 846 Registered: 11-2007  |
Yep- was just telling that to someone the other day. It's so you don't have time to read the Word of God itself. Static. Confusion. Babbling. Sounds like Babylon to me! | ||
| Agapetos Registered user Username: Agapetos Post Number: 1886 Registered: 10-2002  |
A quick look at the word "Babylon" yields exactly what you've both just said -- it comes from the word "Babel". Babylon is a kingdom built on Babel, and Babel means confusion. Confusion sent by God because they were so proud that they thought their tower ("additions") could reach heaven. | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 4647 Registered: 9-2006  |
Sondra, That is so revealing! | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 4652 Registered: 9-2006 |
It just dawned on me that that is what Adventism is, Babbel,a group of babbelers. EGW was a babbler. Adventism is built squarely on babble. You preach the gospel to a Adventist and he goes to babbling. Now thats a real insite for me to see it in the light of the word Babble. We say Bible and they babble. That my friends is my Adventist friends. Their prayers mostly are "let us babble today." The clear word is based on Babble, not Bible. River | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 4653 Registered: 9-2006 |
I better quit 'babbling' and get into my Bible'. | ||
| Asurprise Registered user Username: Asurprise Post Number: 742 Registered: 7-2007 |
I wonder why I never wondered why Ellen White's writings WAY dwarfed the Bible, when I was an Adventist? I don't know how many books she wrote, but if one stacked her books alongside the Bible, how much higher would the stack be? River, about the "Clear Word." Jehovah's Witnesses have their own "translation," where they've changed it to reflect what they believe about Jesus. I wonder if Adventists are starting to have their own "translation" as well, with the "Clear Word?" | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 4661 Registered: 9-2006 |
Oh yes, thats what the clear word is, Adventist own translation of the Bible. Theres this guy on my program who reads it regularly in place of the Bible, it is very popular with Adventist all over. They recommend it highly in the private circles. Anybody tells you that Adventist themselves (The common man Adventist type) don't push it as a bible (not just a paraphrase)they don't know what is happening in the Adventist world. Sometimes I think most the formers are out of touch with the Adventist world. Can't say as I blame them. Seems to me most formers are more amazed at Adventism than the likes of me. Of course I have always stood from the outside looking in so its easy for me to translate their prayers into the Adventist mindset when I hear them pray or speak. Its kinda like it was when I was learning morse code, at first all I heard was a series of dits and dahs, however once your ears get trained to hear, you *hear* the language and the meaning while the normal evangelical will not really hear what is being said. When you first start out it is kind of like the message goes into one side of your brain and has to be translated by the other side of your brain. But after a while it is like Morse code, you hear whole sentences at a time. You hear what they are saying and translate it all at once, not one word at a time. Pretty weird huh? But unless you keep your mind sharpened to *hear* your mind soon cannot pick up the little nuances that are being spoken. Some of the formers have lost the knack of *hearing* because they have become used to another language than their native language which is Adventism. I can see that reflected in yalls post although you are unaware that it is reflected there. Of course there are some formers who are constantly in the mainstream and yet are constantly in the mainstream of Bible learning such as Colleen, on the front lines you might say. So their ears stay trained to assemble whole sections of speech at once. Now I don't want yall to think I think I am a know it all, it just quite interesting to me to observe all this. Its just a matter of ear training, for instance I have sat in rescue radio vans where 5 or 6 radios are going at one time, a regular cacophony of voices, police, rescue crews, helicopters are talking back and fourth on all the radios and yet I can hear when I am being called, my ears pick it out of all the other transmissions. My ears are tuned to filter out transmissions, noises, even rifle fire and hear a transmission being directed at me. Of course it comes in handy when my wife is talking to me and I am doing something else. Ha! She can be standing in the same room talking to me in a loud voice and it can't penetrate, Ha! Makes her aggravated, but she is used to it. Same thing with Adventism, I *hear* what is really being said. I translate (hear) whole sections of speech at a time, as I said, not individual words. Oh, they got their own translation alright and you can take that to the bank. They may deny it, but then they are pretty good at sidestepping an issue unless it suits them. River | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 4662 Registered: 9-2006 |
Another thing is when they pray they are asking God to bless what is not true, they are asking him to bless their doctrine, to bless the works of their hands, to bless them according to their works, to bless the Adventist mindset and it can't be done. River | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 4663 Registered: 9-2006 |
People asks God to bless then while they stay in Adventism even full well knowing its wrong, but it ain'ta gonna work, it don't work that way. They are asking him to bless their own works whether he likes it or not. I won't work, but they keep trying, but all they will have is war within themselves, no piece. You got to work Gods program or you ain't got no program. Its sad to watch it happen. What happens in such cases is that God will deal with them and they will be very uncomfortable, but if they won't hear that uncomfort, that niggling, pretty soon they will feel to the left and God is not there, they will feel to the right and God is not there, they will feel behind them and God is not there, because they assumed he would go along with them. Sad, sad, and they will cry many, many, bitter tears. River | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 6831 Registered: 3-2004  |
As an SDA God blessed me by healing me from any effects of polio when I was a kid. I knew then God was the one that did it. That is just the starter. He blessed me throughout all my life and I did not realize it was God doing it until I left adventism. God does answer some SDA prayers and does bless them, like He has done for me and for others. Looking back I see that God was preparing me to leave adventism. Diana L | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 4670 Registered: 9-2006 |
I don't think it was understood what I meant, but oh, well...  Such is life! River | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 9746 Registered: 12-2003  |
I understand, River. I see it the same way. God does answer many individual Adventist's prayers when they are seeking to know Him and desiring to please Him. What I've come to realize, however, is that God's grace is always for the purpose of revealing Himself. His grace to us who were lost in the darkest deception is what gradually awoke us to Him and His word. All glory goes to Him! What I understand you to say, River, is that Adventists more or less corporately ask God to bless their proselytizing and their business ventures. God will not prosper evil, but He is sovereign over all rulers, powers, and authorities, and He uses even evil ultimately to glorify Himself. I believe that what Adventists often report as answers to prayer are just as much subjective anlyses of data as are their inflated evangelism reports. I find myself stifling a yawn and suppressing the urge to say, "Yeah, whatever!" when I hear or read of specifically Adventist "answers to prayer". Obviously, I cannot make a once-for-all statement about how God works for all people. But I do know that He allows deception to flourish for a time—but not forever. In the meantime, God is kind, patient and tolerant (Romans 2:4) for the purpose of bringing people to repentance. Romans 2:5, however, reveals that people resist God's kindness because of their stubbornness and unrepentant hearts. God's answers to prayer are never "vending machine" results. He answers prayer for the purpose of bringing honor and glory to Himself, not necessarily for the purpose of relieving our immediate discomfort or giving us great material success. God will not flourish evil, although He does allow it to exist for a time. But as both Gary and Elizabeth Inrig say, "God does not allow a person to sin successfully forever." Regardless of the Adventists' (or the Mormons' or the JW's, etc) pride in God's supposed miracles on their behalf, the bottom line is this: God doesn't endorse truth primarily by miracles. Every cult has miracle stories. According to the NT, spiritual gifts including miracles are for the purpose of equipping the body of Christ. They are never intended to be "proof" that a movement is of God. They are to bring Him glory, never to aggrandize a movement. Colleen | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 4674 Registered: 9-2006 |
Yeppers. |
