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Bskillet
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Posted on Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - 1:30 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

God no longer imputes (charges to account) sin to the believer. Is this correct?

This would make sense, because it is illogical to say He imputes Christ's righteousness to us at the same time He imputes our sins to us.

Which is one more proof that IJ cannot be true, because according to the IJ God supposedly still has books of our sins that He is recording and investigating. According to true EGW-brand SDAism, if we are still sinning when Jesus comes to our name, He will not blot out our sins, right?

So then the IJ claims God imputes sins to the believer, and doesn't impute Christ's righteousness, correct?
Jeremy
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Posted on Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - 1:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yep, that's correct. In fact, EGW even states: "Christ is our hope and our refuge. His righteousness is imputed only to the obedient." (RH Sept. 21, 1886) {6BC 1072.8}

God's Word says:


quote:

"If you, O LORD, kept a record of sins,
O Lord, who could stand?
4 But with you there is forgiveness;" (Psalm 130:3-4a NIV)




That kind of does away with the whole IJ thing, too, doesn't it?!

Jeremy
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Posted on Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - 5:43 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Speaking of Romans 3 and 4, I was struck recently by Romans 4:6-8 where Paul states that David also speaks about the blessing of God on the person "to whom God credits righteousness apart from works", and then he quotes Ps. 32:1 and 2.

To me this was significant: in Romans 3:21 it says the Law and the prophets witnessed to God's righteousness apart from the law being manifested. Now, Romans 4:6-8 shows that David also wrote about God's righteousness apart from the law blessing those whose sin God doesn't take into account.

It's not only the New Testament that demonstrates that we're forgiven and counted righteous by God Himself apart from any work of the law--the whole Old Testament witnessed to this miracle—the Law, the Prophets, and the Psalms all told of it.

No wonder Jesus said in Luke 24:44: "These are my words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things which are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled."

Truly, the righteousness of faith apart from the law is the reality which the entire Bible reveals!

Colleen
Bskillet
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Posted on Thursday, January 29, 2009 - 6:05 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thank you both!

I shared that EGW quote with Mrs. bskillet. We both had a good laugh.
River
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Posted on Thursday, January 29, 2009 - 8:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Why don't you let Mrs.Bskillet on and quit hoggin the computer? :-)
River
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Posted on Friday, January 30, 2009 - 10:55 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Bskillet,

I read what I wrote just above last night and thought you might take it wrong.

I didn't mean that you were hogging the forum, actually it didn't mean anything, just ribbing you a bit.

I am always getting my tang tungled up and my foot in my mouth.
Lord help me to keep my big mouth shut.
River
Bskillet
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Posted on Friday, January 30, 2009 - 6:37 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hey no worries River! I didn't take it that way.

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