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| Jorgfe Registered user Username: Jorgfe Post Number: 1340 Registered: 11-2005 |
Ask An Adventist - Adventism Question #10 Here is a question to ask your Adventist friends: If what Seventh-Day Adventists teach is true, then what about all those Christian people who died between the cross of Christ, and the beginning of the Investigative Judgment of 1844? If Christ needed to complete His work of redemption, then why would He wait until 1844? Gilbert Jorgensen | ||
| Larry Registered user Username: Larry Post Number: 603 Registered: 5-2007 |
People in Pauls time were being saved, so there must have been a perfect atonement back then. What can you add to a one-time, perfect atonement? Gilbert, this is related to the adventist heresy that Jesus' blood contaminates heaven, which is why they said the heavenly sanctuary needed cleaning, hence all their apologetics for everything 1844. Hear false-prophetess ellen on the subject: "so our sins are, in fact, transferred to the heavenly sanctuary by the blood of Christ." {Ellen G. White, The Spirit of Prophecy Volume Four (1884), page 266} I wonder how many folks got led out of adventism in 1844 on that statement alone? Here is what awaits those who never get the truth: "How much severer punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace?" Heb 10:29 The adventist "lesser light" says Jesus blood defiles heaven. She and her followers will get severer punishment, they have insulted the Spirit of grace. | ||
| Jorgfe Registered user Username: Jorgfe Post Number: 1341 Registered: 11-2005 |
Larry, you must understand. Pastor Kevin Morgan plainly stated that prior to the fulness of the gospel provided for by the addition of Ellen White's "present truth", that what the world had was a "truncated gospel" -- that we formers were endeavoring to return to. Don't you remember? As GC President Jan Paulson stated, "We shun the perception of being arrogant, and we don't want to come across as being overly exclusive, but at the same time we believe that being Seventh-day Adventists has direct bearing on our salvation; that while a believer can be saved as a Catholic, I would risk my whole spiritual life and salvation were I to leave what I am now and join any other community." (Jan Paulsen, The Theological Landscape – Adventist Review - October, 2002) Gilbert Jorgensen | ||
| Jonvil Registered user Username: Jonvil Post Number: 217 Registered: 4-2007 |
Ask An Adventist - Adventism Question #10 Here is a question to ask your Adventist friends: If what Seventh-Day Adventists teach is true, then what about all those Christian people who died between the cross of Christ, and the beginning of the Investigative Judgment of 1844? If Christ needed to complete His work of redemption, then why would He wait until 1844? Gilbert Jorgensen He was waiting for the Angels to catch up on their reading? John Douglas | ||
| Jonvil Registered user Username: Jonvil Post Number: 218 Registered: 4-2007 |
"Pastor Kevin Morgan plainly stated that prior to the fulness of the gospel provided for by the addition of Ellen White's "present truth", that what the world had was a "truncated gospel" -- that we formers were endeavoring to return to. Don't you remember?" To paraphrase our favorite author "the Gospel is great, but we have so much more." John Douglas | ||
| Larry Registered user Username: Larry Post Number: 610 Registered: 5-2007 |
I remember Kevin Morgan, sda pastor, actually posting this quote: "Jesus is great, but God offers so much more". I believe Gilbert has that exact quote in his archives. It could be pruned in real time at the other site by now. | ||
| Jonvil Registered user Username: Jonvil Post Number: 220 Registered: 4-2007 |
I also have that quote, That's why I used 'paraphrase'. In essence, that's what he meant. John | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 8978 Registered: 12-2003  |
I confess it makes me increasingly irritated when I bump into these Adventist assumptions that the gospel is insufficient—or that the gospel is more than Jesus' death and resurrection for our sin. I was raised with the underlying belief that Jesus' blood defiled the sanctuary. What heresy! Blood ALWAYS cleansed! What were we thinking—and how could we be so deceived when the Bible is clear? Praise God for His miracle of removing the veil. I pray always that He will expose and break the spirit of Adventism, rescue people from it, and protect the unsuspecting from being drawn in. Colleen | ||
| Jorgfe Registered user Username: Jorgfe Post Number: 1342 Registered: 11-2005 |
Colleen, you asked. "What were we thinking ..." That is the heart of the problem. We weren't thinking. We were taught not to think. Adventism taught us to let the Church theologians and pastors do our thinking for us. They give us spiritual Novacaine, and then give us an Ellen G. White implant. That is why it is a form of culture shock when we leave Adventism, and the pastors we have now tell us from the pulpit not to trust what they are telling us, but to do our own Bible study. Gilbert Jorgensen | ||
| Animal Registered user Username: Animal Post Number: 317 Registered: 7-2008  |
Gilbert... You are so correct. I wasnt thinking as I journeyed thru the SDA buffett. It was so easy for me to let others do the thinking for me for 30 years of deception. It is such a refreshing joy to read the Bible void of the slant of "Ellenism". Everytime I read the Bible now, I always anticipate that God will teach me new truths that will help me in my christian walk. He has yet to disappoint me yet. Animal..so grateful God set me free !!!!!! |
