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| Wolfgang Registered user Username: Wolfgang Post Number: 184 Registered: 10-2005 |
Seems like a nice enough guy but would you vote for someone that beleives in cult teachings? Seems to be a smart guy how can he not see the error of mormonism? Seems like he could fall for anything then and thats kinda scary if he were president. Just thinking out loud here and wondered what you all thought? | ||
| Reb Registered user Username: Reb Post Number: 692 Registered: 5-2007 |
I would NOT vote for him, NO WAY. If he were to get the GOP nomination I would be forced to hold my nose and vote for Hillary even though I cannot stomach that woman. The Mormon cult is even WORSE than the SDA cult IMHO. | ||
| Jorgfe Registered user Username: Jorgfe Post Number: 855 Registered: 11-2005 |
It's interesting to see the "real" Mitt Romney ... Mitt Romney Melts Down/Implodes Over Mormonism Questions #1 - http://youtube.com/watch?v=HaIxdx03Eew Mitt Romney Melts Down/Implodes Over Mormonism Questions #2 - http://youtube.com/watch?v=i0rcAByKUFM I found out about this from the local Salt Lake Tribune. It certainly provided something for the local Mormons to talk about. Joseph Smith said God showed him that the US Constitution would be "hanging by a thread" and a Mormon would "save" it. Mormons here think that it will be either Mitt Romney or Harry Reid. Gilbert Jorgensen | ||
| Reb Registered user Username: Reb Post Number: 693 Registered: 5-2007 |
And even though Harry Reid is a Democrat(I am a Democrat) I don't trust him either because he is a Mormon. Hmmmmmm I wonder if Romney does get elected President if the Adventists will be "freaking out" about the Sunday Laws. The Mormons actually "keep" Sunday as a Sabbath like the Adventists do Saturday. I think I'll start a thread on this topic on CARM. | ||
| Jorgfe Registered user Username: Jorgfe Post Number: 856 Registered: 11-2005 |
Reb, its kind of funny. They keep whatever day the locals keep. In Israel (BYU-Jerusalem) they observe Saturday -- because everyone else does! The truth is the road to freedom. Gilbert Jorgensen It has been 162 Years, 11 Months, and 5 Days since October 22, 1844 | ||
| Wolfgang Registered user Username: Wolfgang Post Number: 185 Registered: 10-2005 |
Gilbert always a wealth of info,thanks for the youtube. Yeah I think ppl need to be challenged on the candidates and where the REALLY stand. hey Reb let us know what the majority of the Carm folks think | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 4342 Registered: 3-2004  |
Gilbert, Just want to make sure I am understanding you correctly. The Mormons in Israel observe Saturday?? Because everyone else does. I would like to know more about that. Diana | ||
| Dane Registered user Username: Dane Post Number: 144 Registered: 4-2004 |
Actually, after viewing the Utube links I was quite impressed with Romney. IMO he did not try to weasel around anything like a lot of pols do. I'm not decided yet as to whether I would vote for him, but I would most definitly choose him over Rudy. Dane | ||
| Jorgfe Registered user Username: Jorgfe Post Number: 858 Registered: 11-2005 |
Yes Diana, that is a fact. My oldest daughter was in the International Children's Choir (http://internationalchildrenschoir.com/)here in Salt Lake City they year the did their Holy Land Tour. Since Dr. Kathy Sorenson, Director, also sings with the Mormon Tabernacle Choir, they had one of the special tour guide/security guards from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints along for the entire trip. They spent plenty of time in Israel. Since our daughter was Seventh-day Adventist she found it fascinating that the Mormons in Israel all keep Saturday Sabbath. I don't know if it is midnight-midnight like here or sundown-sundown, but it was most definitely Saturday! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BYU_Jerusalem_Center "Students also must dress conservatively out of respect for the local religions and while in Israel observe the Sabbath on Saturday." If you need to find out more I can ask and find out whatever you want. Gilbert | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 4343 Registered: 3-2004 |
Gilbert, I just wanted more information and you gave it. How odd, the Mormons!!! Diana | ||
| Grace_alone Registered user Username: Grace_alone Post Number: 779 Registered: 6-2006  |
I think we need more Lutherans running for president! Ha  Leigh Anne | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 1554 Registered: 9-2006  |
Yes, Brazil needs the additional coffee sales. A Lutheran president would flood the country with coffee, thereby driving the price of coffee down to the 80's prices, coffee is way too high, and at the same time help Brazil. I agree with you Leigh, 100% River | ||
| Martinc Registered user Username: Martinc Post Number: 18 Registered: 9-2006 |
Has an SDA ever run for president or thought of running? If he or she did, what would a conservative SDA's platform look like? EGW has dire predictions for this country, so an Adventist might feel nervous being at the helm when events start falling down around him. Good reason to stay out of politics. Just my free-associating brain taking off again. | ||
| Helovesme2 Registered user Username: Helovesme2 Post Number: 1079 Registered: 8-2004  |
I don't know of any SDA Presidential hopefuls, but the mayor of Lodi, CA was SDA when I lived there a few years ago. | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 6892 Registered: 12-2003  |
Yes, Loma Linda has SDA mayors, too! Hmmm--an SDA for president...Yes, I suspect there would be too many Ellen warnings for an SDA president to have a clear conscience. (That's almost an oxymoron...I really don't remember ever feeling like I had a completely clear conscience as an Adventist.) River, you're just funny! Colleen | ||
| Jim02 Registered user Username: Jim02 Post Number: 230 Registered: 5-2007 |
The abortion issue has always been a strong point with me when it comes to voting. I am pro life. I have been accused of being a one issue voter. However, it is usually more like a series of tests in the sequence of importance. Thus, fail the abortion test and I start looking for the other choices. However, in practice, it looks like we may end up with NO choice if both canidates are pro abortion in the general election. Such as Guilianni and Clinton for example. The next question is , do we choose the lesser of two evils , or none of the above , or perhaps a protest vote and pick an obscure choice? What is the right tool here? What method after default is right? Any opinions? | ||
| Grace_alone Registered user Username: Grace_alone Post Number: 780 Registered: 6-2006 |
I do feel the same way that you do about, however, I think it's way too early to tell yet. It'll be interesting to see how it plays out. Once there was a candidate who I couldn't stand, and yet was very popular at the time. I had a feeling that he would win, but I definitely didn't want him to get my vote! So I voted for someone who didn't have all that great of a chance. The popular guy won, but I did feel better that he didn't get my vote. If the person is pro "choice" are they going to fund groups that do partial birth abortions? That's the question that is usually on my mind about the issue. Just my opinion... Leigh Anne | ||
| Jim02 Registered user Username: Jim02 Post Number: 233 Registered: 5-2007 |
Leigh Anne, I try to have "processing rules" in place. In other words, to establish principals and policys that help me handle (ahead of time) the tough questions. The methods of voting is a good example. When you have two bad choices. What is the proper action? For example. Two leaders both convicted of a horrible crime. But in all other aspects, talented leaders. Do you choose between them and accept the horrible history as "oh well" and simply pick the best of the two, or do you refuse to vote for anyone guilty of a horrible crime and instead either vote for a third long shot or simply not vote. What is the morally the correct method? I wonder what others think. How do they handle poor choices? | ||
| Grace_alone Registered user Username: Grace_alone Post Number: 781 Registered: 6-2006 |
Jim, why do you have to vote for either? You have the right to vote or not vote for president. Or vote for the little guy who has the same interests and intentions that you do. It's kind of the same thing as being a Christian. I'm a registered Republican. Most of the time (yet not all) I have voted for the Republican guy because in those instances much of our belief systems matched up. However, I'm an American first, and I want what's best for our country. If the Republican (or whatever) is a jerk and I'm afraid he would steer our country the wrong way, then I don't have any loyalty to the guy just because I'm a member of his party. Just like I'm a member of the Lutheran Church. I go to one every week and feel that our beliefs match up for the most part (yet not all). However I'm a Christian first. If the church takes some kind of an action that I believe is against what my Lord stands for, then I have no loyalties to the church. I would think since voting is such a personal thing, then the correct method would be the one that would be most correct for you. No? What does your conscience say? Sorry, I know you wanted to read what other people thought... Leigh Anne | ||
| Philharris Registered user Username: Philharris Post Number: 212 Registered: 5-2007  |
Picking the "lesser of two evils" is the wisdom of the World and the temptation to fall into thinking this way is one of Satan's traps. Along with other forms of temptation, God will provide a way of escape. I believe I Cor. 10:13 applies to this situation:
The person we vote for should not only be qualified for the office they are running for, but should have the same moral standards that we support. I voted for Nixon even though I was warned about his questionable moral standards, then Watergate came along. That taught me to look beyond voting the "Party Line" or appeared to hold the same political views as me. Phil | ||
| Jim02 Registered user Username: Jim02 Post Number: 235 Registered: 5-2007 |
I put this bad choices scenario out there to gain feedback. IMO. I have decided it is better to vote for the true best canidate rather than who I think has the best chance to win. Also: If all the above have a "default failure" (abortion issue for example), then , I would vote for no one. To vote any other way , to my thinking, is not genuine or in keeping with principals of rule and order. So what happens? Protest vote at best? Either way. I did not add to a bad choice. | ||
| Wolfgang Registered user Username: Wolfgang Post Number: 187 Registered: 10-2005 |
http://www.selectsmart.com/president/2008.html Just for kicks and giggels I did this and was kinda surprised at who I came up with in the end. Have fun,oh what was kinda disturbing though was I did the religion survey too,guess what, SDA was number one for my choice. These surveys are are clearly for entertainment only!!! |
