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Treasurehntr
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Posted on Saturday, September 22, 2007 - 11:33 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Since leaving Adventism I have experienced the pleasures of Pork Steak and Catfish..mmmm I recall a story my Mom told me about my aunt cooking Possum..lol My Dads side of the family is entirely rural so the food on their plates would make an SDA crige..lol It was common for them to eat Racoon, Possum, Beaver, and Rattlesnake. Lets face it, if it moved it was edible.
Robby
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Posted on Saturday, September 22, 2007 - 12:00 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well I grew up as a strict vegetarian. I still don't like red meats, but I love shrimp, especially with a good glass of Pinot Noir!
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Posted on Saturday, September 22, 2007 - 2:59 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Although I am no longer SDA, I still do not eat unclean foods. God put them "off limits" for a reason, especially shell fish. I grew up on the Eastern Shore of MD and know of many watermen who would tong oysters from clearly marked closed coves due to pollution. They could care less about putting contaminated product on the market as long as they got a $ out of it. My best friend from back home is always trying to get me to come hunting, goose, quail, doves and ducks. Although I would eat these animals I have no desire to hunt anymore, guess I have seen too much death in my life.


But if you ever get a bad oyster, clam, shrimp, etc, you will regret it!!! Tomaine poisoning is no fun and will have you in the bathroom for a good 12 or more hrs.


Please do not think I am getting "preachy" with my posts, I spent the first 30 years of my life eating Blue Crabs, (steamed and soft shell), oyesters, mussles, several types of clams, catfish and eels. Never was much on eating shrimp or lobsters, they were too expensive for me.
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Posted on Saturday, September 22, 2007 - 7:43 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I did the whole vegetarian thing when I first joined the SDA church. For me it was good, my cholesterol was sky high (genetic)and it helped to get it down a little. Now I've left the church I still have no inclination whatsoever to eat meat. I guess for me being a vegetarian is probably a better option, only because of my family history though - not because I'll be saved because of it.
River
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Posted on Saturday, September 22, 2007 - 8:21 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

91steps,

I don't eat unclean foods either, so I don't blame you, I wash my Possum real good before I eats'em to make sure they are real clean. Not a speck a dirt nor no buck shot to break your teeth on.

I even scrape the powder burns off ef'in I shoot'em up close.

River
Treasurehntr
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Posted on Saturday, September 22, 2007 - 8:40 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I hear the Beverly Hillbillys theme playing in the background..lol

To tell the truth I don't think I could stomach Possom but Shark steaks and Frog Legs sound real good.
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Posted on Sunday, September 23, 2007 - 7:46 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

(Banjo and guitar picking away on the front porch---singing) I've got, five pounds of possum in my headlights tonight. If I can hit 'em I'll be eatin' alright, yes I've got five pounds of possum in my headlights tonight!

(Do ya know the song River? or do I have to post all 15 verses?) ....
River
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Posted on Sunday, September 23, 2007 - 8:36 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

No I don't know the song Loneviking, but I would love to have the verses.
River
U2bsda
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Posted on Sunday, September 23, 2007 - 12:10 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Robby,

How did you go from being a strict vegetarian to eating meat?

That is still something I am working towards having been raised to believe meat is disgusting. I want to eat meat, but the idea of it is still revolting to me.
River
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Posted on Sunday, September 23, 2007 - 12:13 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Try holding your nose.
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Posted on Sunday, September 23, 2007 - 1:10 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well, River, here ya go with a link to the basic version. I've heard other versions with a number of added verses, so take this as a starting point:

http://www.courtney5.us/rob/extras/Five_Pounds_of_Possum.pdf
River
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Posted on Sunday, September 23, 2007 - 2:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hey, neato, even got the chords.
Thanks friend.
I worked out the sound of the way it goes already.:-)
River
Robby
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Posted on Sunday, September 23, 2007 - 5:20 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

U2bsda, I'm still not crazy about most meat, but I do eat chicken and I really do like fish (after all, Jesus at it). We often have shrimp or salmon in salads or as an entre. My wife like burgers and steaks, so when we fire up the grill I throw on a Boca burger or a Worthington fake steak.

For me this diet has been pretty easy. A bunch of our friends eat vege, and my wife is very cool with eating vegeterian.

But I did go through some cognitive dissonance when I decided to add meat to my diet. And in college (mid 70's), vegetarian was not cool at all.

Robby
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Posted on Sunday, September 23, 2007 - 8:09 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

U2bsda, Richard was finally able to begin eating meat when he did two things: acted on his stated desire to be able to do it, and made it an issue of faith.

Until he actually began deliberately eating it a bit at a time instead of just avoiding the problem by saying, "Pray for me!", it wasn't happenin'. When he decided he had to act on his conviction and asked God to help him do it, his aversion left. He had to surrender his aversion and act in faith before meat became "food" to him.

Colleen
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Posted on Sunday, September 23, 2007 - 8:53 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hey U2! Long time no see! Blessings to you in Jesus!
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Posted on Sunday, September 23, 2007 - 9:14 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Colleen,

I had a similar issue of acting on faith that Richard did, only it was with drinking wine or anything with alcohol in it. Now, mind you, I don't advocate or promote drinking, especially if there is any possibility of abusing it and becoming an alcoholic. In my time in the Marine Corps and for a few years afterwards I was a pretty heavy beer drinker but suddenly decided to give it up long before I turned my life back over to the Lord. So, I never became what is termed; "alcoholic". And this, in spite of the fact that my wife and I lived our first three years of marriage next to my favorite "watering hole". I put a gate in our fence so I could go straight there and then never used it but once.

It became an issue for me was when I realized Jesus drank wine, so I knew it could not, of its self, be a sin. Looking back on that period in my life, I now realize I was being legalistic as a result of my SDA heritage. Then, I was sent to Spain on a government assignment. What I found there was that outside of the Spanish Naval Base were I was working, there was nothing to drink except wine, fruit juices or espresso. The water, without boiling it, could kill you because of a thousand years of pollution. Even though I knew intellectually that there was nothing wrong with drinking wine, I had avoided do so up until then. I forced myself, after prayer and a review of scripture on the subject, to act on faith. At that point I was introduced to sangria. Even though I grew up in wine country I have never really acquired a liking for it. But, now I know from both scripture and experience that it is ok. I do have a beer from time to time but that is ok to.

Drunkenness, on the other hand, is clearly condemned in the Bible and only an idiot does not know that it is one of our major social problems in this country. So, I know my resolution of this issue can not be the same for everyone. But, for all of us and in all things, we must act on faith and stay within the framework of what the Bible teaches us.

Phil
River
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Posted on Monday, September 24, 2007 - 5:01 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hey u2,

I second Ramone, good to see you.

I agree Phil, drunkenness is clearly condemned and the Bible doesn’t speak favorably of gluttony either ,but it does recommend doing all things in moderation.

Me I just eat when I’m hungry then I’m mostly glad to get anything and I don’t make much fanfare out of eating, it’s just something I got to do three times a day and it just gets in the way and takes up time.

Fact is folks, about all this stuff sda eats and don't eat just keep their mind on their belly and on themselves. IMHO.
iver

(Message edited by river on September 24, 2007)
Patriar
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Posted on Monday, September 24, 2007 - 7:13 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Great Colleen. Way to be convicting. Darnit. Now I'm going to have to try steak. Not seafood. I don't claim to have any desire to eat fish or any other kind of swimmer. But I HAVE claimed to want to eat beef. sigh. I wonder if then my kids might try it??

Patria
River
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Posted on Monday, September 24, 2007 - 8:01 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Patria,

Get yourself a good Ribeye, put it on the Barby, then serve it hot with hot baked potato, butter and sour creme with chives and sweet onion chopped, Corn and great northern beans, canned style and you are sure to win hearts.

If they grump, bring it on up here, I ga_run_tee
you, you will win mine. :-)
River
Colleentinker
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Posted on Monday, September 24, 2007 - 2:29 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ha, Patria! I know how you feel! Richard actually likes meat now--and (amazingly) especially seafood! Who'd a thought...?!

Yep--it probably will have an effect on your kids if you can eat it. You might try meat first in a dish where it is a complementary ingredient instead of just a large piece of meat. One of the first beef dishes Richard ate was some kind of stir fry (can't remember exactly) beef and vegetables at a favorite Chinese restauant. As he said, "Nice and thin, no blood..."

That was a great way to begin doing beef. He's also come to really like good hamburgers, although he doesn't indulge often! They're also a good way to start, because you're used to vegeburgers. Hamburgers are almost like vegeburgers...except the hamburger actually tastes better—milder and less "distinctive" taste.

Our older son is now a total carnivore, but our 20-year-old is still vegetarian with a deep aversion to meat. (Unfortunately, Richard's experience is non-transferrable...but your kids are younger!) I have so often wished so deeply that we had been able to introduce our kids to meat when they were younger. If Richard had been able to eat it sooner, I think we might have been able to help our younger son eat it more easily.

When a kid grows up to be Christian instead of SDA, not eating meat begins to have major social consequences. Christian camps, etc...don't serve vegetarian food. It becomes harder to get proper food if one doesn't eat meat...in addition, the vegetarian kid in a crowd of meat eaters begins to stand out.

Colleen
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Posted on Monday, September 24, 2007 - 4:01 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Sylvia and I don't serve meat our home, but we lightly indulge in chicken, hamburger, or fish when dining out. For one thing, we don't even know how to properly prepare meats for cooking. Being empty-nesters now, the lacto-ovo vegetarian cuisine seems alot less complicated to prepare and serve.

My Sunday School teacher told me several years ago, after he largely gave up meat-eating to improve his cholesterol level, that just because God said that we can eat meat doesn't mean that we should. This is another freedom we have in Christ.

Dennis Fischer
Colleentinker
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Posted on Monday, September 24, 2007 - 9:30 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Dennis, I understand the cooking limitation! I don't have a very well-developed skill with meat, either. Mostly we eat meat when we go out or on Sundays. I usually manage some form of chicken for Sunday lunch!

Colleen
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Posted on Monday, September 24, 2007 - 11:16 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

U2bsda,

Don't feel bad. Having grown up a vegetarian all my life, I just have no desire for meat. There are plenty of good fruits and vegetables around. We have a 3000 sq ft garden and vineyard, and 30 fruit trees. Since eating meat is not a requirement for my salvation I don't worry about it.

I don't care for the "fake" meat either. To me that is a form of "dietary adultery". Why pretend that I am eating (W)ham?

We also have eight mammoth jackstock donkeys, but they just don't seem too appetizing :-(


The truth is the road to freedom.

Gilbert Jorgensen

It has been 162 Years, 11 Months, and 3 Days since October 22, 1844
River
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Posted on Tuesday, September 25, 2007 - 12:24 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Gilbert for the sake of those poor donkeys I am just thankful they don't make your mouth water.

I draw the line at eating up the riding stock, you'd look funny getting cattle in on a bull,although the bull may enjoy it if you can get past him frowning on you putting a leg across him.

Things are safer around your place if you just stay to eating turnip greens.

Your good friend.
River :-)
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Posted on Wednesday, September 26, 2007 - 12:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi all,

Thanks for the great advice Colleen. You are right. I know I can eat meat - I just need to take that step of faith and do it.

I don't live in an Adventist world anymore and I've been put in way to many social situations where it would have been great to be able to eat it occasionally. Plus it is a hindrance to mission work. So I will be happy to report back here in the future of success. I don't care to eat meat, I just want to be able to eat it when necessary.
Colleentinker
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Posted on Wednesday, September 26, 2007 - 3:58 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Praying for you now, U2bsda...looking forward to hearing your report!

Colleen

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