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| Snowboardingmom Registered user Username: Snowboardingmom Post Number: 335 Registered: 11-2005 |
Can someone help explain what "deep calls to deep" means? Or if you could share your insights and thoughts on the entire verse: "Deep calls unto deep at the noise of Your waterfalls; all Your waves and billows have gone over me." Thanks. Grace | ||
| Agapetos Registered user Username: Agapetos Post Number: 1026 Registered: 10-2002  |
By itself, I've heard it used in many ways. However, in context David seems to be talking about his suffering which he feels God has given to him. In that respect, I think that it roughly means, "the deep part of me calls to the deep part of You", or "the deep suffering of my heart calls to the deep suffering of Your heart", or "Let the deep compassionate part of Your heart hear the deep suffering of my heart." Kind of an appeal to the depth of God's mercy and compassion, I am guessing. But this is the first time I've fleshed that out in writing or in thought, so I'll shut up now.  | ||
| Helovesme2 Registered user Username: Helovesme2 Post Number: 1052 Registered: 8-2004  |
Sounds good to me Ramone. I always pictured it as the deep waters 'call' to other deep deep waters - like the sound a drowning man would hear from a storm at sea where there are waterspouts (water based tornadoes). As I look at it now I see I got this from the KJV rendering, "Deep calleth unto deep at the noise of thy waterspouts: all thy waves and thy billows are gone over me." I understood the Psalmist to be poetically describing the overwhelming (a drowning word if ever there was one) waves of the deep depressive sorrow he was determined to hang onto his faith through, but I'd not seen it as clearly as you describe Ramone. It reminds me a bit of the current discussion about Mother Teresa - of how it is possible to go forward acting on faith in God when you can't sense His presence. Whatever her experience or relationship with God, I believe it IS possible to live as a Christian even when our senses cry out that it makes no sense: that is part of why our sojourn here is a path of faith. The only way I believe we humans can have that faith, however, is by the gift of faith that God gives - even at the time we can't sense Him working. Mary | ||
| Lucybugg Registered user Username: Lucybugg Post Number: 83 Registered: 2-2007 |
I love this song by Fernando Ortega: Lord Of Eternity lyrics Artist - Fernando Ortega Album - Various Songs Lyrics - Lord Of Eternity Lord of Eternity Blessed is the man Who walks in Your favor Who loves all Your words And hides them like treasure In the darkest place Of his desperate heart, They are a light A strong, sure light. Sometimes I call out Your name But I cannot find You. I look for Your face, But You are not there. By my sorrows, Lord, Lift me to You, Lift me to Your side. Chorus: Lord of Eternity, Father of mercy, Look on my fainting soul. Keeper of all the stars, Friend of the poorest heart Touch me and make me whole. If You are my defender, Who is against me? No one can trouble or harm me If You are my strength . All I ask, all I desire Is to live in Your house all my days. repeat chorus | ||
| Snowboardingmom Registered user Username: Snowboardingmom Post Number: 336 Registered: 11-2005 |
Hey guys--thanks so much for the insights. It was actually very helpful to me in understanding that passage and the whole context of that chapter. I really appreciate it! Lucybugg, thanks for posting those lyrics. They are great! I love Fernando Ortega's music. Grace | ||
| Javagirl Registered user Username: Javagirl Post Number: 420 Registered: 6-2005 |
Grace, This Psalm is so important to me. One day about a year ago I learned the meaning of "deep cries out to deep". I was about to have to look into the eyes of my 13 year old son, and tell him that his dad was not ever coming home to live with us again. I could not face him. I could not bear to break his heart and devastate his life. I was in deep shock and abandonment over the loss of my "forever" marriage when my husband of 20 years abruptly moved out. My father was very ill, 500 miles away, suffereing from a terrible and debiltating disease, Parkinsons, and was near death. I was terrified he would die before I could make yet another goodbye trip to see him. I had just Publically removed my name from the Seventh-day Adventist church and was facing ostracism from friends and family. My support system was gone. My mother was devastated. My friend who was also a former adventist had just suffered from a brain tumor, and was in the hospital with serious life-altering complications. The one role in life I felt good about, being a mother, had just been ripped apart. I was about to have to hurt my child in an unthinkable way. I didnt know where to go..... Things I could count on in the past were gone: I could not go to my husband (left) I could not go to my father (dying) I could not go to my mother (estranged) I could not go to the only friend who understood the trauma of leaving SDA (brain tumor) I could not go to my church (declared me in apostacy for following Jesus alone) I could mot go to my church friends (awkward) So I found myself in a 24 hour house of prayer, in the middle of the day. The prayer room was basically empty, except for one singer on an accoustic guitar. He was playing a song, ALL Who are thirsty....by Kutless All who are thirsty All who are weak Just come to the fountain Dip your heart in the stream of life Let the pain and the sorrow Be washed away In the waves of His mercy As the deep cries out to deep we sing Come Lord Jesus come Come Lord Jesus come Come Lord Jesus come Come Lord Jesus come AS DEEP CRIES OUT TO DEEP. As deep cries out to deep... I believe God arranged that time. I think the singer played the song for over an hour, and I leared how to let go and let deep cry out to deep. I learned to let the waves of His mercy flow over me, and I leared that He was enough. There is healing in the presence of Jesus. Deep (in us, in our deepenst hurt, where we are real) cries out to Deep, (His Spirit), and He hears and responds and heals. There is healing in the presence of Jesus. Psalm 42:1,2 paraphrase As the deer panteth for the water, so my soul cries out for You. You alone are my hearts desire and I long to worship You. Javagirl (Lori) | ||
| Agapetos Registered user Username: Agapetos Post Number: 1033 Registered: 10-2002 |
Lori, thank you for sharing that! God is so wonderful in these times when we don't know how to let go, or maybe we don't even know the question that is killing us inside. He releases it and this deep part of us cries out to Him, and we are even shocked by how deep this pain and question is inside of us! And that "deep" thing needs to cry out to Him. It needs to be released. Sometimes we protect it, or try to ignore it, but He will come in to heal it as it is released to Him. I think most of David's "crying out" Psalms were like this -- him crying out from the deep place inside of him, and then finding God as a river of cool water rushing over him. | ||
| Snowboardingmom Registered user Username: Snowboardingmom Post Number: 337 Registered: 11-2005 |
Beautiful, Lori. Thanks for sharing that! And what you said in your last post is so true, Ramone. As I've been really contemplating this verse for the past couple of days, that's the thought that has been coming to me. I used to scuba dive a lot. I remember this one time we were doing a shore dive from Laguna Beach. I was a "poor student" and couldn't afford to have all my diving experiences be boat dives. I wasn't a very experienced beach diver, and getting past the "surf zone" has always been very intimidating to me. The surf zone is the area between where the wave first breaks and where the roller degenerates into white water rushing up the beach. Before you get out to the rollers, you can generally stand easily in the white water. Once you're outside the break, you can float comfortably because the water is moving only vertically, not horizontally, toward the beach. But in between those two areas, a breaking, rolling wave can overpower the strongest diver. Anyway, the ocean was especially rough that day, and I was having a hard time getting past the surf zone. The big waves were intimidating me, and when a big wave would bear down on me, I would try to swim through it rather than under it. Because I was still "in the wave", rather than beneath it, the power of the wave would overwhelm me, carry me, and crash me back onto shore. I would barely have time to regain my footing, and I would be pounded down again by another series of waves. After several times of getting pounded, I was finally able to regain my footing (and breath), and realized that if I was going to get past the surf zone into quieter waters, I would have to dive into the waves, and make myself go deeper despite my fears and intimidation of the waves. Likewise, it's so easy for me to want to deal with what God brings to my attention in a superficial way, especially when it addresses where I "miss the mark". I begin to think through these issues in a very intellectual-what-makes-sense type of way, not letting my emotions become involved in any significant way. But human rationalizing is really only a superficial way of facing waves. God calls our hearts to go deeper. It takes energy and courage to go deep but it may be the only way. It's so easy to fight, go numb, or even want to ignore, but all of these ways result in revisiting the issue over and over again in an unsafe and unproductive manner. I just noticed today that the verse says "Your waves and billows". God is sovereign. So now, I kind of see it as "Deep calls to deep in the roar of the ocean, and all of Your waves, God, wash over me, taking away everything that's not of You." Thank you, Jesus. Grace (Message edited by snowboardingmom on September 07, 2007) | ||
| Agapetos Registered user Username: Agapetos Post Number: 1037 Registered: 10-2002 |
Wooooow... | ||
| Javagirl Registered user Username: Javagirl Post Number: 422 Registered: 6-2005 |
Grace and Ramone, yes! Thats good. Thats deep... . |
