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Patriar
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Username: Patriar
Post Number: 310
Registered: 3-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 7:17 am: |     |
I don't remember NOT doing anything on Sabbath. We pretty much did whatever we wanted to do. I had my list and my friends had theirs, of what not to do, but overall we did everything on Sabbath as we did every other day. I grew up in very liberal, evangelical adventist circles and believe me, Ellen White was not directly mentioned very often. In fact the only memory I have of DIRECT Ellen White teaching was in Bible class as a junior or senior at Mile High Academy and that was for only one assignment.
AND YET God still had to pluck me out of the deception. I was still just as stuck in the mire of legalism as the rest. In fact, all it did was further the idea that I WASN'T legalistic but actually was living a grace-filled life.
In other words, to me grace was the ability to break the Sabbath without feeling guilty.
Patria |
Stevendi
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Username: Stevendi
Post Number: 217
Registered: 10-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 7:36 am: | |
Patria,
Everybody that ever did, does, or will live is a true Sabbath-breaker. Nobody ever kept the Sabbath, nobody. Those who claim to "keep" the Sabbath as God did after creating and resting are missing the whole point about who they are, and who God is. Sabbath-"keepers" simply need to repent and confess of the sin of plugging in a self-controlled, flesh-driven mechanism to establish a godlike image and restore relations based purely on effort and knowledge. Clearly, those who stand in the shadow are standing in darkness.
steve |
Reb
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Username: Reb
Post Number: 602
Registered: 5-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 8:15 am: | |
Jody, SDBs are pretty much like other Baptists except for worshipping on Saturday rather than Sunday, other than that they are like other Baptists. There are not "distinctives" like the Adventists have. I don't see any problem with an SDB going to a Sunday Baptist Bible study on Wed. night.
SDBs consider themselves part of the Body of Christ and do NOT judge their Brothers and Sisters in Christ who worship on Sunday like the Adventists do. They do not seperate themselves from other Christians like the Adventists do, either.
Hope that answers your question, Jody. |
Larry
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Username: Larry
Post Number: 104
Registered: 5-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 10:47 am: | |
quote:Clearly, those who stand in the shadow are standing in darkness.
Boy is that ever right! sda's consider themselves saved for keeping the once weekly sabbath 'holy', but totally miss the Spiritual sabbath of Hebrews 3 and 4. The sda assertion of sabbath being a test in Revelation, to them, is 180 degrees out of phase with the real truth. That being this: keeping a once-weekly sabbath for salvation will get you killed, not saved. Oh, they say it is not a salvation issue now, but will be at some future point. (we all know how spot-on their predictions have been!)
And sda's have condemned, by endorsing their prophet, Sunday goers for not keeping the weekly sabbath, when in reality there are Sunday goers who keep the Spiritual sabbath of Hebrews 3 and 4! And will be saved!
Any time the sda organization offers condemnation of an 'outside' group, when examined, it is usually about themselves, only they do not see it.
Reb, SDB's keep Saturday sabbath because they believe they are under the 10 commandments, right?
Can you, Reb, document for us any SDB literature that says they are not bound by the 10C's ??? |
Reb
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Post Number: 612
Registered: 5-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 11:11 am: | |
Yes Larry, SDBs do worship on Saturday because it is one of the 10 commandments.
But, unlike the SDAs they do not condemn or judge Christians who worship on Sunday, they like all other Christians believe it is Christ that saves, NOT a day of the week.
They do not believe the Sabbath is the seal of God like the SDAs do, they believe just like other Christians that the seal of God is the Holy Spirit. SDBs do not believe the Sabbath will be the final test or that there will ever be Sunday Laws. There are a LOT of differences between SDBs and SDAs as you know.
But yes, SDBs do believe in all 10 of the commandments and the reason they worship on the Sabbath is because it is one of the Commandements.
But they do NOT make an idol out of it like the Adventists appear to do. All I have ever heard in SDB Church is about Jesus and the Gospel. I have yet to hear a sermon about the Sabbath like I woudl at SDA church. It's all Jesus, all the time at SDB church from what I've seen so far. |
Jody
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Username: Jody
Post Number: 7
Registered: 7-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 7:07 pm: | |
I think I like the SDB's they sound great I wish they would plant a church near me,maybe i could persuade my SDA family to make the switch LOL.
Its funny all these Sabbath teachings arose in Adventism,since they really got the idea from SDB's.From what i have read Joseph Bates was influenced by a woman in the SDB church.I think all these other things were added because Ellen and her co horts were mad at all the other churches for not accepting Millers message as they did. |
Lucybugg
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Username: Lucybugg
Post Number: 76
Registered: 2-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 5:20 am: | |
The pastor from the church we're attending came out for a visit last week. He had no idea we're former Adventists. Somewhere in the conversation SDB's came up, and he told us that there's a SDB church near us. This particular church came into being when an Adventist woman married a Baptist man. I told hubby that we need to steer clear of that church at all costs. |
Reb
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Post Number: 618
Registered: 5-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 6:39 am: | |
The Adventists took the SDBs Sabbath teaching and perverted it, though. The SDB do not consider the Sabbath salvific or the seal of God and do not judge their Brothers and Sisters in Christ who worship on Sunday.
Believe me, it's a MAJOR improvement over the SDA church. I feel like I have stepped out of the darkness and into the light. |
Lucybugg
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Post Number: 77
Registered: 2-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 6:58 am: | |
Oh..I have nothing against the SDB in general...it's just that particular church... |
Reb
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Post Number: 621
Registered: 5-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 7:17 am: | |
From what you said I can see why.
The SDBs, like all other Baptists are big on individual liberty of conscience. The SDA woman who goes there is probably allowed to have her Adventist beliefs but she probably has been unsuccessful in pushing them on the Baptists there. I'm actually surprised that she was willing to compromise with her Baptist husband like that. (Though my wife IS coming around to accepting my new beliefs). |
Larry
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Username: Larry
Post Number: 109
Registered: 5-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 8:06 am: | |
Reb, if SDB's consider they are still bound by the 10 commandments, would they be willing to teach that by continually ignoring the 4th one, that a person can lose his salvation?
After all, breaking the 4th one, while obeying the other 9 commandments is still sin, and no sin will inherit the kingdom.
I understand you saying that SDB's claiming that the sabbath does not save a person. But ask your pastor if not keeping sabbath is a sin.
I am starting to think that the SDB's only have less overt error than sda's, but error all the same.
Have you purchased Dales book "Sabbath in Christ" yet?
Your comments please. |
Larry
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Post Number: 110
Registered: 5-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 8:13 am: | |
Reb, I have SDB official literature in hand that states:
"We believe that in obedience to God and in loving response to His Grace in Christ, the Sabbath should be faithfully observed as a day of rest, worship, and celebration."
From the tract titled: "A Baptist Church that's a little different" on the front, and 40M-98-6th Ed. on the back. |
Reb
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Post Number: 626
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| | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 8:45 am: | |
Yes, Larry I have read that SDB tract.
SDBs have a lot LESS error than SDAs do, for startes they don't believe in a false prophet and they don't make an "idol" of the Sabbath as Adventists do.
I am aware that the Sabbath is not salvific. But I do not have a problem with going to Church on that day or on Sunday for that matter. I am HAPPY in the SDB church and find it a HUGE improvement over the SDA. And it looks like my wife is FINALLY coming around to accepting my going there. IF I want any hope of being able to witness to her, the SDB church is where I NEED to be right now. AT least she is becoming open to listening. If I were going to a Sunday Church right now she would likely be so angry she wouldn't listen to anything. At least I have some hope of witnessing to her where I am at now.
I believe I am where God wants me to be right now. I actually tried the Eastern Orthodox Church before I settled on the SDB. I really, really liked the Eastern Orthodox Church but I had to attend it "under the radar" and the guilt I felt about sneaking there was just too much for me to handle.
Maybe someday... My mission right now is to witness to my wife and I believe the SDB church is the best place for me to do that witness.
I have not yet read Dale's book "Sabbath in Christ" I have heard it is excellent. |
Larry
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Post Number: 116
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| | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 9:10 am: | |
I will pray for your situation Reb.
Do yourself a favor and get that book. Dale is not wrong. I believe he was called of God to write it.
What can I do to facilitate you getting a copy? |
Reb
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Post Number: 628
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| | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 9:19 am: | |
I know how to get a copy of it. It's pretty easy I know where Dale's website is.
Dale has been right about everything else so far that I've seen from him, so I agree he's right about that.
I absolutely believe Christ is out Sabbath, NOT a day. But this is where I NEED to be right now.
My wife is still trapped in Adventism and I can best witness to her from the SDB church.
You may disagree with the SDBs on the Sabbath issue, but I'm telling you they do not put it before Christ and they do not make an "idol" of it like the SDAs so. I have heard NOTHING BUT THE GOSPEL in SDB church so far.
My situation requires "baby steps", it's an incremental type of thing. To throw the Sabbath issue in the "mix" right now while I'm trying to witness to my wife would be counterproductive.
Remember what Paul said. "To reach the Jews I was as a Jew, the Gentiles as a Gentile".
I have prayed about this and am convinced the SDB church is where God wants me for now, it is the best place for me to witness to my wife. |
Patriar
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Post Number: 324
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| | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 9:50 am: | |
Reb:
One of the most lovely things about the New Covenant is that it's what I like to call "custom made for each believer". In other words, Christ lives in us. When we seek His heart, He shows it to us. There are certain things that are the same for every believer, but there are things like this that can be completely opposite of what the Spirit is telling me to do. The main thing is that you have separated from the false gospel that is within Adventism.
All that said, if I were you, I'd still read Sabbath In Christ. You don't have to beat your wife over the head with it, but it's possible that it will release you from some final thoughts or questions you may have over the Sabbath. Believe me, he refutes arguments over the Sabbath I never even knew were there. 
Anyway, just my two cents worth.
Patria |
Patriar
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Post Number: 325
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| | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 9:55 am: | |
Steve:
I could not agree more!
Patria |
Reb
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Post Number: 629
Registered: 5-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 10:29 am: | |
I agree also with what Steve said. It is impossible for anyone to "keep" the Sabbath.
Jesus IS out Sabbath He kept it for us because we COULDN'T.
I don't have any questions about the Sabbath and I break it without guilt. I go to Church on that day yes, but I don't "keep" the Sabbath I understand that can't be done and we must rest in Christ as our Sabbath.
I am only going along to get along right now the SDB church serves two purposes for me:
I hear the Gospel there
By going to SDB church on Saturday I avoid antagonising my wife over that issue which would make it difficult to witness to her. At least I can witness to her now.
And I am away from the false doctrines of Adventism. That's a plus right there! |
Patriar
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| | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 12:35 pm: | |
Reb:
DEFINITELY a plus!!
Patria |
Flyinglady
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| | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 1:34 pm: | |
Reb,
A great big plus. I remember you and your family in prayers.
Diana |
Reb
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Post Number: 632
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| | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 1:50 pm: | |
Thanks, Diana. |
Stevendi
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Post Number: 220
Registered: 10-2006
| | Posted on Friday, August 24, 2007 - 7:56 am: | |
Reb, Reb, Reb,
Hard advice. Quit talking and thinking and comparing and criticizing.
Get Dale's book on the Sabbath and read, study and pray with your wife, one chapter at a time. Then, look up all the verses together. God has put you two together for a reason. Forget about trying to figure things out on your own. Forget about having your own journey separate from your wife. Both of you need to do this together. It is God's will. Let Him lead you both on the same journey. I say this to both of you. Submit yourselves to each other in His grace. Both of you throw your religious convictions in the trash where they belong. Start anew in Him as a team.
This will probably take my name off your favorable list, sorry.
steve |
Reb
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Post Number: 634
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| | Posted on Friday, August 24, 2007 - 8:14 am: | |
No it doesn't take your name of my favourable list, Steve. You make a good point. I would just need to get up the courage to do that. |
Larry
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Post Number: 122
Registered: 5-2007
| | Posted on Friday, August 24, 2007 - 9:55 am: | |
Reb, would you commit to ordering the Sabbath in Christ book within the next week?
If money is the problem, I will send Dale the funds myself and you can provide him with your mailing details. |
Reb
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Post Number: 635
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| | Posted on Friday, August 24, 2007 - 10:12 am: | |
Money is no problem I can definetly afford it.
Don't know if I can commit to ordering it within the next week. That book, though I would LOVE to read it could be considered "contraband" in my house and I don't want to ruin the small gains I've made by antagonising my wife with it.
I have to take really small steps and wait until the "Spirit" tells me that it's time. My wife is quite superstitious as many Adventists are and this book may upset the apple cart at this point.
I don't want to throw this into the "mix" as an issue at this time. I am going through enough stress with this situation as it is and I have defused it and don't want to inflame it again.
I love my wife as Christ loves the Church and I don't want to unduly antagonise her which Dale's book is likely to do. The important thing is that I am FREE from Adventism and Ellen White. I UNDERSTAND that I don't have to "keep" the Sabbath but I choose to worship on that day to keep the peace in my home. I don't give you guys any static over worshipping on Sunday and I am just as free to choose to worship on Saturday as you are on Sunday. I COULD start worshipping on Sunday IF I wished IF I wanted to disrupt the peace in my home which I do not wish to do.
I am perfectly content with continuing to worship on the Sabbath, I have the RIGHT to do so so please try to understand my situation and why I am doing it. I DON'T WANT to go to Church on Sunday I would rather watch Football on that day.
I am not the only former Adventist who continues to worship on the Sabbath. I WANT to and I'm ok with it.
Please try to understand this. Thank you and God Bless.
(Message edited by Reb on August 24, 2007) |
