| Author | Message | ||
| Reb Registered user Username: Reb Post Number: 495 Registered: 5-2007 |
This past Sabbath was the Sabbath I pretty much have to go to SDA church with my wife. I am alaternating pretty much now, every other Sabbath I go to SDB church and when my wife is off duty I "have" to go to SDA church with her. The sermon this past Sabbath was truly horrid. It was all about the Sabbath, ending, with Sunday Law stuff. Not once during the sermon was the name of Jesus mentioned. It was just Sabbath, sabbath, sabbath, sabbath. I notice a big difference in SDB church. SDBs go to church on the Sabbath but I have NEVER heard a sermon about the Sabbath at SDB church, it's ALWAYS about Jesus there. I am convinced the SDAs have taken the Sabbath and made an idol of it. In trying to keep the 4th they are breaking the 1st and 2nd commandments. | ||
| Berit Registered user Username: Berit Post Number: 10 Registered: 7-2007 |
According to my oppinion adventisms BIG idol is their "true" theology. They love their so called truth more than Jesus and their neighbour. So the sabbath is a part of their idol, in deed! | ||
| Reb Registered user Username: Reb Post Number: 501 Registered: 5-2007 |
So true, Berit. It's all Sabbath this, Adventist "truth" that in their sermons and so little if any about Jesus. Doggone, it! I go to church to hear about Jesus! | ||
| Jonvil Registered user Username: Jonvil Post Number: 106 Registered: 4-2007 |
Just had a chat with my wife who is visiting her sister in SoCal. She was exited with her Sabbath experience at the ‘mother’ church of the Latinos, about 1500 members. They were preachin & teachin Jesus, no DO! DO! DO! Wow! Very evangelistic. Then she spoiled the whole thing by including how essential the Sabbath and EGW are. It’s amazing, one moment she is espousing Gospel only to immediately turn it into Gospel plus!!! I simply cannot hang onto that slippery bar of soap. JONVIL | ||
| Asurprise Registered user Username: Asurprise Post Number: 110 Registered: 7-2007 |
If only Adventists could realize that the covenant given to Israel (Deuteronomy 4:13 "So He declared to you his covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments...") was given just to them (Deut. 5:3 "The Lord did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us...") and given 430 years after Abraham (Galatians 3:17 "...the law which was 430 years later...") and in effect until the Messiah (Gal. 3:19 "...till the Seed should come...") became obsolete when Jesus died. (Hebrews 8:13 "In that He says, 'A new covenant,' He has made the first obsolete...") If only they could realize that the Sabbath was simply the sign between God and Israel (Exodus 31:13 "Speak also to the children of Israel, saying, 'Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you...") and that the Seal of God is the Holy Spirit now. (Ephesians 1:13 "...having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise") If only they could realize that the Holy Spirit is the guarantee of our salvation (Ephesians 1:14 "Who is the guarantee of our inheritance...") and that the Spirit dwells in us (Romans 8:9 "But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you...") If only they could realize that the new covenant ("Testament" means "covenant") doesn't command the Sabbath, in fact calls it a shadow (Colossians 2:16,17) and says it doesn't matter whether one keeps it or not. (Romans 14:5,6) If only they could realize that now we rest in God TODAY (Hebrews 4). But they will never realize that until they take off their Ellen White "glasses" and can see clearly what the Bible says with the help of the Holy Spirit. They need to see that she is a false prophet. Dianne | ||
| Stevendi Registered user Username: Stevendi Post Number: 198 Registered: 10-2006 |
Reb, In my last year or so at an Adventist church, I would get so disgusted that I would leave the church, walk around the building and pray for the Lord to straighten things out so I could know Him. He did. I left. steve | ||
| Grace_alone Registered user Username: Grace_alone Post Number: 727 Registered: 6-2006  |
Dianne, I completely agree. I've said this before, that the SDA church has taken ownership of a covenant between God and Isreal, and have made it their mission to guilt people into going along with it. They slap a label on it and call it "new truth", but it still won't change the fact that it's an ancient covenant that never belonged to them and never will. It's nonsense! Moral laws existed long before the law of moses and have never changed. Leigh Anne | ||
| Reb Registered user Username: Reb Post Number: 507 Registered: 5-2007 |
If it never belonged to them then isn't it "stealing"? | ||
| Grace_alone Registered user Username: Grace_alone Post Number: 728 Registered: 6-2006 |
Reb- HA! They can even "steal" the Mosaic covenant and it STILL won't belong to them.  You're funny. Leigh Anne | ||
| Laurie Registered user Username: Laurie Post Number: 64 Registered: 6-2007 |
Steve - I know what you are saying. I spent the last few months of my SDA membership sitting on the front steps of the church. I would sit out there and cry. I too left. Laurie | ||
| Gcfrankie Registered user Username: Gcfrankie Post Number: 37 Registered: 1-2007 |
The church is legalistic. Yes Jesus went to the temple and read the scrolls but He also taught us how to keep the Sabbath. He healed the sick and also He and the disciples picked the heads of the wheat to eat on the Sabbath which really upset the Jewish leaders. The leaders got on their soap boxes to find fault with Jesus, such an emotional drain. Isn't this exactly what the SDA Sabbath does? Kept us emotionally drained worrying about if we keep it right? There is no rest in that! I am so glad I can rest in Jesus Christ in peace with no worry. Oh how awesome it is to be free in Jesus Christ. | ||
| Larry Registered user Username: Larry Post Number: 71 Registered: 5-2007 |
The Jews were required to get all their food prep done on Friday, for sabbath. Obviously Jesus and the 12 had not bothered to do such in the "grain incident". There is a definite message being sent here. There was also a healing that took place on sabbath where Jesus told the healed man to pick up his bed and walk. Coming from the standpoint of picking up a stick for firewood and the resulting stoning to death, the carrying of a bed must have been a pretty serious offence. It could have weighed a hundred pounds. He could have had to carry it 20 miles. That would wear any of us out. But Jesus told him to violate the sabbath. Interesting huh? To observe the sabbath command, Jesus could have told the man to come back after sundown and get his bed. It seems that at that point, Jesus was the sabbath rest that people could rest in, no longer a physical day that had to be observed. We do know that Jesus did not sin in all these sabbath deviations! | ||
| Reb Registered user Username: Reb Post Number: 520 Registered: 5-2007 |
But you should see how the Adventists on CARM accuse us formers and non-Adventists of accusing Jesus of "sinning" over this Sabbath thing. They fail to see that Jesus IS our Sabbath rest, Jesus IS God, it's HIS Sabbath and He can do whatever He wants with it. | ||
| Grace_alone Registered user Username: Grace_alone Post Number: 733 Registered: 6-2006 |
Reb, I believe the SDA's on CARM fail to realize the depth of what the Sabbath was all about in Jesus' time. I would imagine if any of them had a time machine and actually went back and experienced the Sabbath of Jesus' day, they would find out real fast the impact Jesus' actions were against the law. Being that most SDAs are spoon fed on EGW, and they don't seem to be exposed to other historical documents of the day, they have no idea. They're measuring Jesus to their own standards in this age and time. The fact that Jesus even looked in the direction of the woman at the well, let alone spoke to her and then took water from her was extremely (You can underline that!) controversial for his culture at that time. That story has much much more importance if you understand what the culture was about. Same for the Sabbath. I don't believe any of us would be able to handle all the restrictions placed on the Jews of that day. You're darn right Jesus was "sinning" (according to the Pharisees and leaders) on the Sabbath. It was done because it had a purpose, and you're right, Jesus was showing us that he IS the Sabbath. Leigh Anne I've been ducking in and out of CARM, but I can only handle small amounts at a time! (Message edited by grace_alone on August 08, 2007) | ||
| Honestwitness Registered user Username: Honestwitness Post Number: 291 Registered: 7-2005  |
Asurprise wrote: "If only Adventists could realize..." Excellent points, Dianne. I couldn't help thinking, though, as I was reading your list of "if onlys," that some Adventists ARE realizing these things, and they're coming here to FAF to learn more about them. God IS moving on hearts and minds. He is able! Honestwitness |
