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| Wolfgang Registered user Username: Wolfgang Post Number: 175 Registered: 10-2005 |
so this young man has always wanted to be a cop.well now I think the church is guilting him and he wants to lwavew because he cant have sat off,Im sick over this he's so awesome,I dont know what to share with him,other than imagine if all cops were SDA,and had sabbath off,I'd be afraid to leave my house,thankGod for sunday keepers who work sabbath | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 1231 Registered: 9-2006  |
And the hospital workers, truckers,truckstop waitressis and cooks, factory workers.............. I can just see it now, loads not being delivered, airline passengers stuck in route, power plants going down, solders quitting in the middle of a fire fight...... River | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 4098 Registered: 3-2004  |
Wolfgang, If it were me I would tell him like I told my son when he told me how much he liked the military and SDAs were not supposed to go in unless they were drafted. I told him to talk to God about it and pray some more. He is now a captain in the Air force. So, tell him to talk to God about it. He is the one with the ultimate authority. Tell him that the members do not have to answer to God for him. I have 4 nephews who are policemen and one who is a fireman. They were not raised SDA. Thank you God. Diana | ||
| Laurie Registered user Username: Laurie Post Number: 62 Registered: 6-2007 |
This is where adventists show the most hypocrisy. They get up every sabbath and flip on the light switch (being maintained by a complete staff at the power company) step into their shower (being maintained by a complete staff at the water company), enjoy the heat or air conditioned comfort of their home and church (again complete staff at the power company). They have assurance of the police and fire departments standing ready if they are needed. They get in their car and drive to church knowing if they have an accident that an ambulance fully staffed with medics will transport them to a fully staffed hospital. They say it's OK to be a RN or MD and work on sabbath, but what about the complete environmental services staff keeping the rooms clean for patients, the dietary staff feeding all the patients and staff, the engineering and maintenance staff keeping the building climate controlled and all the lights and electricity working, what about the biomed staff maintaining all the equipment, what about patient registration getting the patients registered, radiology and lab working on the ER patients and all the patients, I could go on and on forever. They won't work - but expect the entire world to work around them to keep the world running. It does not make sense. This always bothered me even when I believed in the sabbath. Laurie | ||
| Reb Registered user Username: Reb Post Number: 508 Registered: 5-2007 |
Don't forget, they will use credit cards when they eat at a restaurant on the Sabbath with the excuse since it's a credit card they're not paying on that day. | ||
| Wolfgang Registered user Username: Wolfgang Post Number: 176 Registered: 10-2005 |
I work in the health field and I gave all my sabbath pay to the church,blah how dumb was I?? makes me utterly ill when I think about it they loved ppl like me,I wonder if the pastors give all thier sabbath pay to the church. NOT Dawn | ||
| Susans Registered user Username: Susans Post Number: 410 Registered: 8-2006 |
Dawn, You weren't dumb. I was looked down on by some right wingers because I DIDN'T give all my RN pay when I was required to work on Sabbath. And I doubt the pastors do, because they pattern on the Levitical system. However, I do know of many pastors who paid a double tithe... it's sad for all! Susan | ||
| Jay_g Registered user Username: Jay_g Post Number: 16 Registered: 7-2007 |
This was one of the things that really bothered me when I was in Adventist schools. During the summer I had to not work on Saturday which costs me a few jobs and created hostility between me & my employer. I did however compramise and work Friday night which was also during Sabbath hours. My friends were sometimes very upset by this, because I was breaking the Sabbath by making Pizza on Friday Night. However in College it was perfectly OK for me to work in the Adventist College Cafeteria. Even in a college some people need to work on Sabbath, imagine a whole town of Sabbath Keepers? My father is a police officer, and not an Adventist, but there was always an understanding when I was young that Police Officers can not be Adventists. | ||
| Lucybugg Registered user Username: Lucybugg Post Number: 62 Registered: 2-2007 |
That's one thing that always hit me the wrong way...how the college cafeteria was open on Sabbath and people were working there...and families were there BUYING food.... | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 1247 Registered: 9-2006 |
This all reminds me of a time a few years ago when I worked at the police dept. and my wife worked at the hospital. In January it snowed then iced over, snowed again then iced over on top of that and it stayed that way a couple weeks. There was not much moving in the small mountain town we lived in, I worked rotating shift and my wife worked 11 to 7 shift at the hospital. We had to depend on the patrol cars to ferry the workers to the police, fire dept. and hospitals there and home again so the patrol cars made the trek to our house four times a day in addition to all the other workers who lived in the outlying areas. By the time the weather cleared and the snow melted down to a couple inches of ice we were all pretty well exhausted. It was a time of working together and appreciation for each other that don’t often come around. It is at times like that when you get home and fall exhausted into bed that you realize the importance of all who keep these facilities going, if they refused it would mean double shifts for others in an already difficult situation. I am sorry but I cannot have any respect for those who would demand their day and then claim to be God’s chosen. A refusal to serve on a certain day of the week is hypocrisy on the highest order. There are those who live at peace under the protection of the military, police and fire departments, telephone services and hospital/ambulance services, wear drab clothing and hold in disdain the very people who make this possible, refuse to serve in the military that protects them and keeps them safe from attack, deeming themselves close to God the while, that is hypocrisy on the highest order and I hold no respect for them, I respect my dog more than them. River | ||
| Philharris Registered user Username: Philharris Post Number: 142 Registered: 5-2007  |
River, There is nothing I can add to what you just said, so I will simply add my....amen! As soon as I post this I will shut down this compter and I am off to our reunion. We will be staying in facilities that are run seven days a week around the clock. It doesn't seem to bother my SDA family that we will be served by a staff that has to work on the Sabbath to kept the place running and all of us happy. Phil | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 6493 Registered: 12-2003  |
I know you probably won't see this, Phil, but I'm praying for your reunion and your talk. And River—Amen from me, too. I remember struggling with that whole dillemma when I was SDA...I never came to a good conclusion. I will say that there are some Adventists who really do believe that they are honoring Jesus by not working (or doing any "secular" activity, such as--in my case--playing in the Oregon Junior Symphony) on Sabbath. They are deeply misguided, but I know they exist. I was one of them early on. But the illusion breaks down with the slightest examination. God calls us to KNOW the Truth. As Dale Ratzlaff says, if we refuse to know the truth, we shipwreck our faith. Colleen | ||
| 91steps Registered user Username: 91steps Post Number: 157 Registered: 8-2005  |
Wolfgang, I know ALL too well about this issue. When I was first baptized there was a young man who was a local County Police Officer and the "elders" nagged him so bad he resigned from the force. Then about 2 years later I went to work at the GC, (world HQ for the church) as a security officer working weekends, Sabbath included. My Pastor at the time told me to take the money I earned during the Sabbath and use it for missionary work and not to pay tithe on that portion. I did the part time gig for 2 years until I got hired on full time, M-F, 3-11 PM. My partner and I used to refer to ourselves as The Sabbath Police because we would have to go and run employees out on the Sabbath. That was not sanctioned by the GC, but we did it anyhow, you would be shocked at the amount of people who would hide in their offices/cubicles working well into the Sabbath on Fri. I held a Maryland Special Police Commission, ( I was a fully sworn Police Officer with that commission, so I had full arrest powers). I did some research into the MD State statutes and found a obsecure little trespassing law that I could charge people with, (never got that far, usually I would take my handcuffs out and they would leave, high ranking officials included). But what galled me was when I voiced concern at my former church about getting back into Law Enforcement I was attacked by several of the elders. They riled on me for my idea and how I would break the Sabbath, etc etc. Yet, when I worked at the GC they told me it was okay to work on the Sabbath since "you are protecting the World Headquarters of God's Church"(wink wink). This hypocrisy is what started my Bible study and eventually led me out of the Sadventist religion. I couldn't continue to belong to a religion that had so many variations to the 10 Commandments. I used to work with a man at the GC, another security officer, who worked security at an SDA hospital in the DC area. He said that SDA doctors and nurses would FIGHT to be able to work on the weekends, Sabbath especially, to get the time and a half pay!!!! Someday I will write down my experiences while working at the GC, for the time being I will hold off, but soon I will write that tell all book. | ||
| Philharris Registered user Username: Philharris Post Number: 143 Registered: 5-2007 |
Colleen, Well, I am just back from our reunion and yes, I just did read your post. Thank you for your prayers. Some of my "thoughts" are somewhat sinsitive, so I am going to continue this in the members area under a new thread titled "Harris Pine Mill". Phil |
