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River
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Username: River
Post Number: 1229
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, August 05, 2007 - 5:42 pm: |     |
Ha!
Gilbert that is the best work around I ever heard of!
You crack me up. 
River |
Philharris
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Username: Philharris
Post Number: 135
Registered: 5-2007
| | Posted on Sunday, August 05, 2007 - 6:16 pm: | |
I am sure the "work arounds" will always be biased in favor of the one coming up with them.
Many years ago, right after I got out of the Marine Corps, I worked at the California Verterans Home Hospital at Yountville, Calif. This place is located in the Napa Valley where there is a large population of SDA folks, including the nurse who trained me and many of the other hospital aids I worked with. They were willing to work on Saturday, but you know what would freeze over before they would do anything other than direct care of the patients on the Sabbath. This, of course, put a lot of extra work on the rest of us and was highly resented. But, when you "boss" is also SDA, what are you to do? 
My boss was my original first grade teacher and she owned what had been my grandparents home up at Angwin, but old time friendship didn't cut any ice with her. Her husband worked as another aid with me. His advice to me was to quit first chance I got, so I did.
Phil |
Colleentinker
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Username: Colleentinker
Post Number: 6474
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Monday, August 06, 2007 - 12:49 am: | |
This is unconscionable. I'm glad you're writing...I wish we knew Christian pastors in that area to alert to this program.
Colleen |
Larry
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Username: Larry
Post Number: 68
Registered: 5-2007
| | Posted on Monday, August 06, 2007 - 8:03 am: | |
I agree, this is aweful.
Even tho we are in Oregon, I will ask my wife about visiting that Bakersfield church on Sundays. She knows Spanish and I do not. Should we wear www.ellenwhite.org buttons on our shirts? Or pass out fliers? Any advice?
Are there any FAF readers who live near Bakersfield that could interface with this church? It'd be a good 12 hour drive for us. How far is Henderson from Bakersfield, Diana? |
Reb
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Username: Reb
Post Number: 498
Registered: 5-2007
| | Posted on Monday, August 06, 2007 - 8:55 am: | |
It is very sad that Adventists use such tactics as that to deceive good people who are honestly seeking God.
I've had the thought that Adventism is like a predator. I wonder if that thought is justified. |
Jorgfe
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Username: Jorgfe
Post Number: 520
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Monday, August 06, 2007 - 8:56 am: | |
This is not the first time. About 10 years ago, if I remember correctly, there was a SDA pastor named "Gemmell" in the Las Vegas area that had a "motorcycle ministry" that met for worship and fellowship on Sunday mornings. It was a time for worship that the attendees were more familiar with. It is funny how Adventists will do all kinds of things, but ask them to share, for example Easter Sunday, with their local (insert denomination here) friends and they turn white as a sheet! Such hypocrisy!
Gilbert Jorgensen |
Reb
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Username: Reb
Post Number: 499
Registered: 5-2007
| | Posted on Monday, August 06, 2007 - 9:00 am: | |
Speaking of Easter. This past Sabbath before Easter I visited an Orthodox Church and attended a beautiful liturgy that was all about Christ and what He did for us. Then right after, I had to go to SDA church(as my cover, my wife was grilling me after she got home from work about what Church was like and she would've totally freaked out if I told her I went to an Orthodox Church so I went to SDA church so I wouldn't be lying.) The SDA sermon was just horrible. All Old Testament stuff about obeying Mosaic Law or God will destroy you. Not ONE WORD about Christ or the Cross on the day before Easter. And I always wondered if Adventists even actually believe in Easter? |
Susans
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Username: Susans
Post Number: 403
Registered: 8-2006
| | Posted on Monday, August 06, 2007 - 9:41 am: | |
The Adventists I know don't celebrate Easter because it's pagan, you know. ;-) No Easter sunrise services, for them, no sirreee, because that is what God condemned in the OT when the people faced east to worship Tammuz.
I have to say I can't recall any sermon on Saturday that mentioned anything about Easter, except that Jesus even kept the Sabbath while He was in the tomb. Nothing about the resurrection the next morning, I believe there was a fear of attaching any sort of sacredness to Sunday! So sad...
My best friend though, always has an Easter brunch at her house on Easter Sunday morning. She invites the neighborhood (I believe a few SDA's from her church come, but I've never lived around her during that time, so I can't say.) She is different than the run-of-the-mill SDA's though...but still held by the church.
Susan |
Jorgfe
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Username: Jorgfe
Post Number: 521
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Monday, August 06, 2007 - 10:17 am: | |
from http://www.adventistreview.org/issue.php?id=1062
quote:Our interest is to return to the practices and faith of the early Christian church.
quote:Easter and its surrounding events can lend themselves to evangelistic outreach without, however, assigning any special religious meaning to the day itself.
Gilbert Jorgensen |
Susans
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Username: Susans
Post Number: 405
Registered: 8-2006
| | Posted on Monday, August 06, 2007 - 11:16 am: | |
Quote: "although the resurrection of Jesus is a historical event of huge importance, we have no biblical precedent for making it a special day of celebration"
Reading that article turned my stomach. Even Jesus is subrogated to the Sabbath. Of course, that's not new knowledge, but it still makes me ill to see it in print.
Susan
(Message edited by SusanS on August 06, 2007) |
Reb
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Username: Reb
Post Number: 503
Registered: 5-2007
| | Posted on Monday, August 06, 2007 - 11:22 am: | |
They break the 1st and 2nd commandments for the 4th. |
Flyinglady
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Username: Flyinglady
Post Number: 4103
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Monday, August 06, 2007 - 6:22 pm: | |
Larry, I think Henderson is about 5-6 hours from Bakersfield. Serious?? When do you want to do this? Let me know and I can make plans with you to do that.
Colleen, send my email address to Larry and his wife, please.
God is seriously awesome.
Diana |
Jorgfe
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Username: Jorgfe
Post Number: 527
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 07, 2007 - 12:01 am: | |
Ellen White didn't have any problem with Christmas trees in the front of the churches as long as people used them to hang money gifts on.
quote:"God would be well pleased if on Christmas, each church would have a Christmas tree on which shall be hung offerings, great and small, for these houses of worship." Ellen White, Review and Herald, Dec. 11, 1879.
quote:"Let the several churches present to God Christmas trees in every church; and then let them hang thereon the fruits of beneficence and gratitude,--offerings coming from willing hearts and hands, fruits that God will accept as an expression of our faith and our great love to him for the gift of his Son, Jesus Christ. Let the evergreen be laden with fruit, rich, and pure, and holy, acceptable to God. Shall we not have such a Christmas as Heaven can approve?" Ellen White, Review and Herald, Dec. 9, 1884.
Just before Ellen White died, Willie White dressed up and played Santa for their Christmas party. http://www.truthorfables.com/EGW_Santa.htm
Gilbert Jorgensen
Gilbert Jorgensen |
Susans
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Username: Susans
Post Number: 411
Registered: 8-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 07, 2007 - 8:45 am: | |
Ha! I'm not surprised in the least...she talked out of both sides of her mouth most of her life. |
River
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Username: River
Post Number: 1245
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 07, 2007 - 7:35 pm: | |
Edible Quotes.
"Let the several churches present to me Christmas trees in every church; and then let them hang thereon the fruits of beneficence and gratitude,--(I need the money) offerings coming from willing hearts and hands, fruits that I will accept as an expression of your faith in me, and your great love to me for the my visions and plagiarizing. Let the evergreen be laden with fruit, rich, and pure, and steeped with money, acceptable to me. Shall we not have such a Christmas as I can approve?" Ellen Blockhead, Edited by River and Spanky the cat, August 7 , 8418.
Also subject to edit by admin. May their fingers be speedy.
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Jorgfe
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Username: Jorgfe
Post Number: 531
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 07, 2007 - 8:37 pm: | |
River,
Molasses also goes well between two slices of bread with wormer for filling. Equines love anything with molasses.
By the way, a very small amount of vinegar on the top of water in large water troughs keeps the mosquito larva away.
Hay is in short supply here in the Southwest. We just loaded 500 bales in the barn for winter.
Gilbert Jorgensen |
Jorgfe
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Username: Jorgfe
Post Number: 532
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 07, 2007 - 8:44 pm: | |
Ellen G. White: Prophet or Profit? How did Ellen White amass her great fortune? http://www.ellenwhite.org/egw25.htm
The Desirer of Wage$
http://www.truthorfables.com/The_Desirer_of_Wages.htm
These are amazing articles! I cannot even come up with a comment that would do justice. The Whites were an incredible money-making machine! And the White Estate continues to rake in money on her writings.
Gilbert Jorgensen |
River
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Username: River
Post Number: 1250
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 08, 2007 - 8:48 am: | |
Quote: By the way, a very small amount of vinegar on the top of water in large water troughs keeps the mosquito larva away.
Hey Gilbert, thanks for that tip, I didn't know that.
Course we ain't got any skeeters, But my brother who lives amongst them will probably be very interested in that cure.
I will call him today.
Your a pal.
River |
