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| Luzisbornagain Registered user Username: Luzisbornagain Post Number: 70 Registered: 7-2007 |
www.ex-sda.com It has some interesting articles written by an ex adventist named Jack Gent. I read a few things about the Millenium and how Jerusalem won't be restored until the last gentile during the millenium and how the configuration at the mount with Moses and Elijah is a representation of the 144,000 servants of prophecy before the rapture. Of course all of the articles are based on the Bible. Even have articles of former SDA's during the 19th century who knew ellen g. white including Canright and some others who objected against ellen's teachings. Check it out. | ||
| Jorgfe Registered user Username: Jorgfe Post Number: 467 Registered: 11-2005 |
Luz, It is another really good "former" site. You are right. There is a lot of valuable material there. Thanks for mentioning it. Gilbert Jorgensen | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 6408 Registered: 12-2003  |
Jack Gent has compiled some excellent EGW quotes on the topic of her royalties from the Review and Herald Publishing assoc, some of James Whites statements about the profitable status of Ellen writings, etc., and compiled it into a booklet called "The Desirer of Wages". I think it's available online. It's quite revealing. Colleen | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 1987 Registered: 10-2004  |
Yes, it's available here: http://www.truthorfables.com/The_Desirer_of_Wages.htm Jeremy | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 1173 Registered: 9-2006  |
Jeremy, In this document you refer to above the book was mentioned called "Bible readings" they rolled out about the time of the "great controversy". Would this be the same book later titled "Bible readings for the Home?" River | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 1989 Registered: 10-2004 |
River, I believe it is the same book, although it's been edited (perhaps more than once) since it was first published. Jeremy | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 1175 Registered: 9-2006 |
The copy I have has a copyright date of 1967 by the Pacific press, I believe it was later reedited again and distributed in soft back. The copy I have is a hard back copy and they are getting hard to come by. This book, in case some of you are not familiar, gives questions and then scriptural answers, while many of the questions in the book does give accurate scriptural answers, there are places in the book that proof text Sabbath keeping and Mark Martin pointed out to me something else that it teaches although it slips my mind what he said about it. The version is still used in preference over the later version. I imagine it has been edited a few times since its inception. While it is great to apply Bible scripture to daily living, in doing so the scripture answer to any particular question needs to be backed by a good overall concept of the teachings of the Bible. Of course it was written by Adventist and their theology is basically flawed. The teachings of this book in question and answer format is very subtle and could easily lead one who does not have a good Bible based background in to legalism and from there it is just a step into Adventism and deception. Some have remarked on the fact that one coming out of Adventism is a complete new paradigm or to put it in the terms I understand better, a complete mind flip, while it is possible for an Adventist to have this complete mind flip it is equally as possible for a person who does not have a stable Bible knowledge to have a complete mind flip into Adventism through the study of this book alone and, God help him, his deception is complete. These two paradigms cannot co-exist for long. We all probably remember the old t.v. series “The twilight light zone” where a person steps out of his universe into an alternate universe, Adventism is sort of like that. Just so it is possible for one to take that short journey into that shadowy world of deception through that one short step into the legalism of Sabbath keeping and on into Adventism where there is no substance. God help anyone who finds himself in that shadowy world of Adventism where there is no substance and everything is not as it seems. If I could play you some dramatic music I would, folks I mean it, just get rid of it, it is a world of make believe religion, a form of worship that is not grounded in Gods word, it is like a little girl pretending to cook on her little plastic stove, she hands you a plastic cookie but you can’t really eat the thing. One can humor her in her make believe world, but you still can’t eat the thing. The difference between the little girl and her make believe oven is that this is serious stuff; it’s a matter of life in Christ or death outside of the Spirit. There are those who wish to hang on to the parts of Adventism that seems attractive to them and they find themselves in yet another alternate universe that contains neither the make believes of Adventism nor the substance of true Christianity and if they are not careful this will allow Satan to nail their hides to the barn door. IMHO. River | ||
| Larry Registered user Username: Larry Post Number: 50 Registered: 5-2007 |
That is a very good writeup River. What always amazes me is the way sda's preach that there will be deception in the end times that can fool the very elect, and in saying such, they feel that they will be able to spot it and avoid it, since it is them that are preaching against it. Little do they know that they are smack dab in the middle of it, promoting it. Utterly and completely deceived! I was there, I know. | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 1990 Registered: 10-2004 |
Good post, River. Also, just by asking the wrong questions, they can teach heresy even if they give answers only from the Bible. Jeremy | ||
| Larry Registered user Username: Larry Post Number: 52 Registered: 5-2007 |
Jeremy, your post seems pregnant. Could you flesh that out a little? Thanks. | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 1180 Registered: 9-2006 |
Larry, For instance, in the referred book on page 309 the title to the section is called “Reasons for keeping the Sabbath” about the middle of the page is written in bold type “The Sabbath and knowing God” then under that the question “What is the Sabbath to those who keep it holy? Answer “and hallow my Sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I am the Lord you God.” Ezekiel 20:20 First they set you up, then lead you in. Another question: Is there any danger of God’s people forgetting him? Answer: “Beware that thou forget not the Lord thy God, in not keeping his commandments, and his statutes and his judgments. Deut 8:11 Another question: what other reason is given for keeping the Sabbath? Answer: Verily my Sabbaths you shall keep; for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know I am the Lord your God that doeth sanctify you Exodus 31:13 Through certain questions and canned scriptures they build their case. I never seed sich a dad dratted mess as the Adventist make of the word in all my born days, I,d druther teach the Bible to a Arkansas skid mule! Now I’ll let Jeremy cut loose. River (Message edited by river on July 29, 2007) | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 1181 Registered: 9-2006 |
I sometimes have to tell myself "Now River don't you write when you get to feelin oniferious" River | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 1992 Registered: 10-2004 |
I don't have a copy of the book, but I just looked it up and found it online. I looked up the chapter entitled "The Divinity of Christ" (Chapter 11), and saw the horrible twisting they did to teach their polytheism:
Again, they try to create "God" in the image of man (or men plural!), and get everything backwards. And it is not a coincidence that both the SDAs and the Mormons use the same passage (John 17) when teaching their polytheistic "Godhead." For a previous discussion that took place of the John 17 passage, see this thread (towards the end of the thread). And of course they always have to corrupt Colossians 2:9:
And the chapter on "Salvation" (Chapter 14) is not any better:
I suppose that's enough for now... Yuck. Jeremy (Message edited by Jeremy on July 29, 2007) | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 1994 Registered: 10-2004 |
I just noticed that that same website also has the 1914 edition of Bible Readings. Interestingly, in the 1914 edition they do not have the part about "how" Christ and the Father are one. They only have:
Also, the Colossians 2:9 question was worded differently:
So, their editing of these portions has actually made it worse now than it was in 1914! Jeremy (Message edited by Jeremy on July 29, 2007) | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 6422 Registered: 12-2003 |
Oh, my goodness--well, Jeremy, at least this is one currently available source that does confirm that the SDA church has not actually retracted nor renounced its early teachings or the effects of its Arian roots. Its public statements of belief sound pretty good, but those things the public can't (or won't know they ought to) easily access (such as the baptisimal certificate, Bible Readings for the Hiome, many Ellen White statements, even SDA textbooks) still teach the confusion of their non-orthodox "trinity" and the subsequent confusion about who Jesus really is. Very interesting. Colleen | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 6423 Registered: 12-2003 |
River, great post. Colleen |
