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Treasurehntr
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Username: Treasurehntr
Post Number: 27
Registered: 7-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 2:17 pm: |     |
Oh Mary, how right you are
You just hit on the core of Adventism. Most SDA's rely on on a controlled regimine of doctrine, practice, and lifestyle for salvation. There is no trust in Christ. It's almost as if most are innoculated against the genuine Gospel at the same time they are looking for Christ. |
Stevendi
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Username: Stevendi
Post Number: 186
Registered: 10-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 3:08 pm: | |
Treasurehntr,
You said " There is no trust in Christ. It's almost as if most are innoculated against the genuine Gospel at the same time they are looking for Christ."
This leads me to ponder. If Ellen said she was truth, and Jesus said He was truth, then we must have a false Christ on our hands. |
Colleentinker
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Username: Colleentinker
Post Number: 6415
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 5:12 pm: | |
Gilbert, you're right—I got the timing wrong. That whole "moving throne" debacle was so confusing to me, I've had a hard time keeping its timing and detail straight. You're right—Satan supposedly sat on the throne in the Holy Place at the beginning of the IJ, not the end.
The deep fear that any question of Adventism is Satan's confusion derives, I believe, from this teaching--and this confusion is that veil, that spiritual power of decepetion that keeps people from perceiving.
Mary's right—only prayer can change this darkness.
Treasurehntr, you are so right. I have often thought of that word "innoculation" to describe the condition of Adventists. What a great description: "It's almost as if most are innoculated against the genuine Gospel at the same time they are looking for Christ."
Interesting thought, Steve. I really do believe our prayer for Adventists has to be along the lines of Jesus' "spiritual warfare" line in the Lod's prayer: "Deliver us from evil"...
I continue to pray that God will expose and break the spirit of Adventism and set those in bondage to deception and dishonesty free. He has already defeated the spiritual rulers and authoriites in the universe, and, as a friend of mine says, "Evil is God's monkey".
We do not have to fear it, but we have to be willing to recognize it. We can pray for our Adventist loved ones to be able to know the truth and be delivered from spiritual blindness.
Colleen |
Freeindeed
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Username: Freeindeed
Post Number: 35
Registered: 3-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 5:27 pm: | |
Larry, my EGW books occupy about 3 good size boxes in my basement. I also have several older copies in 'evidence boxes' in my home office where I reference them from time to time in my online disucssions. My shelves are much more interesting these days, although not quite as stylish since they don't all match.
Freeindeed |
Larry
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Username: Larry
Post Number: 47
Registered: 5-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 10:59 pm: | |
There are some excellent posts going on here you guys!
Another thing I do with my stack of crime evidence is to photocopy the lies, one at a time, and do all my underlining etc in red type felt pen on the photocopy. I write in the Bible refutations in the available spaces around each lie, in the margins of the photocopy. Photocopies are then inserted into a "master manilla folder" for quick reference when having a discussion with a pro-sda type. Man, it is a real conversation stopper to pull some of this stuff out complete with Bible proofs. All twisting and distorting come to a complete stop usually. I have even had sda's say they do not believe certain Bible texts, that is how far they will go to protect their antichrist. I have also had top flight pastors, with books written by them, actually refuse to even look at the work I have done. I think they know they are going to lose badly when they engage. And they cannot take a hit in the conscience department like this.
I find it much easier to haul around a 1 inch thick manilla folder than a two foot stack of books. |
Larry
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Username: Larry
Post Number: 48
Registered: 5-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 11:29 pm: | |
I don't like that I wrote "All twisting and distorting come to a complete stop usually."
What I was thinking of when I wrote that is the cases of some people becoming very thoughtful when I presented the evidence to them. They seem to acknowledge that something was very out of kilter. But a week or two later, it was as if they had totally forgotten what I had shown them. Odd. |
Jorgfe
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Username: Jorgfe
Post Number: 481
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, July 29, 2007 - 7:16 am: | |
Larry,
I had a dear SDA friend of mine tell me that it was "very unfortunate that Paul wrote some of the things that he did." Of course, these same people are the ones that insist that Paul also wrote Hebrews -- because the King James version said he did.
I am amazed at the lengths they will go to to try to rationalize Ellen White. If she was in full harmony with the Bible, they wouldn't need her in the first place.
We were taught that "she is supposed to be the lesser light, leading us to the greater light." Well, guess what? We have the greater light! It is called the Bible. I don't know of anyone that goes outside in broad daylight, and uses a flashlight to look for the sun!
Gilbert Jorgensen |
Freeindeed
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Username: Freeindeed
Post Number: 38
Registered: 3-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, July 29, 2007 - 7:31 am: | |
Gilbert,
The Light of the World is Jesus himself. He is the Greater Light and the Bible points to him.
Just had to make that point. God bless.
Freeindeed |
Larry
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Username: Larry
Post Number: 49
Registered: 5-2007
| | Posted on Sunday, July 29, 2007 - 7:51 am: | |
Ha Gilbert! I have used that same expression of finding the sun with an AAA battery powered single celled flashlight a time or two, musta picked it up off the web.
One could even alter it to using a candle to find the sun, as the candle is still a weak source of light.
They are so serious when they reveal to me that she is a lesser light showing us the way to the greater light. I am sure they are just parroting, having never thought it thru. So imagine their dissonance when you show them that they are trying to find the noonday sun with a flashlight. They realize the analogy falls flat!
You are right on, the Bible is the light, and perhaps the Holy Spirit is the "batteries", to stretch it a bit. |
River
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Username: River
Post Number: 1176
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, July 29, 2007 - 9:55 am: | |
It is the Holy Spirit that shines the truth of God's word in our hearts.
It may be unfortunate for them that Paul wrote the things he did, I consider it very fortunate for me.
But yes, I would say that is is unfortunate for them that he wrote for in denying him they afirm that the Holy Spirit is not in them.
River |
Jeremy
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Username: Jeremy
Post Number: 1991
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, July 29, 2007 - 11:33 am: | |
Gilbert, actually they have to believe that Paul wrote Hebrews, because EGW said he did--despite the evidence to the contrary.
Jeremy |
Asurprise
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Username: Asurprise
Post Number: 89
Registered: 7-2007
| | Posted on Monday, July 30, 2007 - 1:04 pm: | |
I've gotten rid of most of the SDA books that I had. I have a couple Ellen White books that I keep around just because of the obvious contradictions that they have in them between them and the Bible. I pointed out to one of my sisters where Ellen White's book "Patriarchs and Prophets" in the chapter, "After the Flood" quotes the verse in Genesis 9:3 where God told Noah that he could eat "every moving thing that lives," and then Ellen, in her very next sentence says that Noah was given the "clean beasts" to eat. My sister seemed to think that Genesis 9:3 contradicted the rest of the Bible.
Dianne |
