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Jeremy
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Username: Jeremy
Post Number: 1924
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Monday, July 09, 2007 - 1:03 pm: |     |
Yes, I also found the "90%" thing to be very sad.
Another thing I found sad was where he said: "The lesson? There are 16 ways to interpret religion and its hang ups- but in the end we all go to the same place regardless of what we thought ,or, what we really felt was true."
Ummm...no. We don't all go to the same place. Some of us go to heaven, and some of us go to hell. Truth matters! A false gospel and a false Jesus will not get you to heaven.
Only trusting in the true Jesus of the Bible alone for salvation will get you to heaven.
Jeremy |
Colleentinker
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Username: Colleentinker
Post Number: 6260
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Monday, July 09, 2007 - 1:09 pm: | |
Esther and Jeremy, great points. And Dawn, I am praying for them. I read their website, and I believe they did have an experience with the Lord Jesus before they got sucked into Adventism. I'm praying that God will open their eyes and bring them out.
Colleen |
Reb
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Username: Reb
Post Number: 313
Registered: 5-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 10, 2007 - 8:25 am: | |
I also read Mr. Edwards' Website and he seems very sincere.
His response to Dawn's e-mail shows a tolerance I don't see out of many Adventists.
It appears he did have an experience with the Lord Jesus before being sucked into Adventism and hopefully, he will see the truth and be free someday. |
Asurprise
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Username: Asurprise
Post Number: 24
Registered: 7-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, July 12, 2007 - 10:48 am: | |
That poor man!!! I just HAD to write him a letter!!! (Carefully and prayerfully of course!) I'd put it down here but I don't know how to "copy and paste" and the letter's a bit long just to copy it here word by word.
Dianne |
Philharris
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Username: Philharris
Post Number: 113
Registered: 5-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, July 12, 2007 - 5:54 pm: | |
Dianne,
Here are some "copy and Paste" suggestions:
(I assume you are working from your email program, but these guidelines will also apply to using your word processor, or even when when you find something of interest at a website.)
I. COPY TO CLIPBOARD STEPS
1. Open the document you wish to copy.
2. Select the part you wish to copy.
a. Highlight area you wish to copy. That is, right click and hold down with your mouse and scroll the area you wish to copy and then let go of the button.
b. Or, hold down on the "ctrl" and then press the "A" key. This will select the whole document.
3. Now, hold down on the "ctrl" key and press the "C" key. This will put your selection in the "clipboard", where it needs to be for pasteing.
II. PASTEING
1. Move to the destination, such as this forum.
2. Click in the "post" window. The curser needs to be where you wish to paste.
3. Hold down on the "ctrl" key and press the "V" key. The contents of the "clipboard", if all goes well, will now be in your posting window.
Hope this works for you. 
Phil |
Wolfgang
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Username: Wolfgang
Post Number: 152
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, July 12, 2007 - 8:02 pm: | |
thankyou Dianne for sending a letter and keeping this family in prayer
Dawn |
Asurprise
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Username: Asurprise
Post Number: 28
Registered: 7-2007
| | Posted on Friday, July 13, 2007 - 10:27 am: | |
You're welcome 
Thank-you Phil for your instructions. I'm only semi-computer literate, but if I went carefully, I could probably do it
(Ever since I found out about the SDA church being wrong and that there isn't such a thing as "unclean" meats anymore, I've been enjoying eating bacon. I haven't been able to get past the sight of shrimp though to try it. It looks disgusting!
Dianne |
Reb
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Username: Reb
Post Number: 339
Registered: 5-2007
| | Posted on Friday, July 13, 2007 - 11:22 am: | |
Shrimp is very delicious, Dianne. |
Wolfgang
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Username: Wolfgang
Post Number: 154
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Friday, July 13, 2007 - 7:11 pm: | |
Dianne let us know if he writes you back.
Dawn |
Jorgfe
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Username: Jorgfe
Post Number: 379
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, July 14, 2007 - 11:34 am: | |
Dianne, I thought you would like this from http://www.giveshare.org/churchhistory/sda/064.sda.html
quote:In Testimonies (Volume I, pages 206-207), Mrs. White says that the Lord showed her that pork is "nourishing and strengthening food." She was rebuking a brother in the church for teaching that swine's flesh is forbidden food. She hadn't yet had a "vision" on this subject, so he was being a troublemaker, since all truth must come through her. You should read this passage in the original.
In 1863, Mrs. White received "light" on the subject of pork (J.N. Loughborough, Rise and Progress of Seventh-Day Adventists, page 214). Yet in 1865 at an SDA conference, James White admitted that the Whites had just finished eating a 200-pound porker. In spite of all the evidence that the Whites originally taught that pork was nourishing food, Uriah Smith, an apologist for Mrs. White, wrote in 1868 that Mrs. White's visions never taught that swine's flesh was good and nourishing food (The Visions of Mrs. E.G. White, a Manifestation of Spiritual Gifts According to the Scriptures, page 95).
In Spiritual Gifts, Volume IV, page 124, Mrs. White claims a vision against pork: "God never designed the swine to be eaten under any circumstances." Thus, "divine inspiration" was claimed for opposite teachings. She didn't even follow her own visions for a time! Mrs. White maintained that "I am just as dependent upon the Spirit of the Lord in relating, or writing a vision, as in having a vision." A "vision" of hers published January 31, 1849, purported that those Sabbath-keepers who rejected the visions were speaking against the Holy Spirit. Are you bold enough to dare to check out what she said, or will you succumb out of fear, or the majority belief?
A "200-pound porker" would take some time!
Gilbert Jorgensen |
Raven
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Username: Raven
Post Number: 793
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, July 14, 2007 - 1:02 pm: | |
Here is the quote from the Ellen White Estate:
quote:I saw that your views concerning swine's flesh [THIS REMARKABLE TESTIMONY WAS WRITTEN OCTOBER 21, 1858, NEARLY FIVE YEARS BEFORE THE GREAT VISION OF 1863, IN WHICH THE LIGHT UPON HEALTH REFORM WAS GIVEN. WHEN THE RIGHT TIME CAME, THE SUBJECT WAS GIVEN IN A MANNER TO MOVE ALL OUR PEOPLE. HOW WONDERFUL ARE THE WISDOM AND GOODNESS OF GOD! IT MIGHT BE AS WRONG TO CROWD THE MILK, SALT, AND SUGAR QUESTION NOW, AS THE PORK QUESTION IN 1858.-- J.W., NOTE TO SECOND EDITION.] would prove no injury if you have them to yourselves; but in your judgment and opinion you have made this question a test, 207
and your actions have plainly shown your faith in this matter. If God requires His people to abstain from swine's flesh, He will convict them on the matter. He is just as willing to show His honest children their duty, as to show their duty to individuals upon whom He has not laid the burden of His work. If it is the duty of the church to abstain from swine's flesh, God will discover it to more than two or three. He will teach His church their duty. (1T 206.3)
While I couldn't find a quote saying pork is "nourishing and strengthening food" I thought the added note of explanation in all caps was very interesting. I wonder what it would take to be the "right time" for milk, salt and sugar to be as forbidden as pork. According to the quote, I guess it won't be the right time until God "discovers it to more than two or three" - so far there's been only one (actually none), EGW. |
Jeremy
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Username: Jeremy
Post Number: 1931
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, July 14, 2007 - 1:25 pm: | |
I hadn't read these posts on this thread when I posted on the other thread (where it was off-topic anyway), so I'll re-post my post here:
quote:Gilbert,
Wow, at that first link to giveshare.org, there is part of a letter by EGW that is not published by the White Estate:
quote:A brother and sister Curtis were intimate friends of Carver in Iowa for many years. Mrs. Curtis, long before the Whites believed pork to be injurious, tried to banish it from her table. She was a sincere believer in Ellen G. White's visions, and wrote to Mrs. White for instruction in the matter. Ellen replied: "I believe you to be in error. The Lord showed me two or three years since that the use of swine's flesh was no test. Dear sister, if it is your husband's wish to use swine's flesh, you should be perfectly free to use it." Mrs. White further stated that it was "fanatical" to "deprive yourselves of nourishing food."
--http://www.giveshare.org/churchhistory/historysdcog/history6.html
No wonder it's not published!
Jeremy
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Jeremy
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Username: Jeremy
Post Number: 1933
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, July 14, 2007 - 1:34 pm: | |
Raven, the paragraph right before the one you quoted mentions "nourishing, strengthening food":
quote:"Those who labor with their hands must nourish their strength to perform his labor, and those also who labor in word and doctrine must nourish their strength; for Satan and his evil angels are warring against them to tear down their strength. They should seek rest of body and mind from wearing labor when they can, and should eat of nourishing, strengthening food to build up their strength; for they will be obliged to exercise all the strength they have. I saw that it does not glorify God in the least for any of His people to make a time of trouble for themselves. There is a time of trouble just before God's people, and He will prepare them for that fearful conflict." (Testimonies for the Church, Volume One, page 206, paragraph 2.)
Jeremy |
Jorgfe
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Username: Jorgfe
Post Number: 380
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, July 14, 2007 - 1:45 pm: | |
Jeremy, that is pretty amazing! I found the series at giveshare to be quite informative.
It presents another view of how controlling the White's were that is definitely not presented in anything from the White Estate. It is fascinating to read how the White's were viewed from the eyes of their contemporaries.
It reminds me of the gross discrepancies in Ellen White's reporting of the Israel Dammon incident, relative to the official report. See http://www.ellenwhite.org/israel.htm
Gilbert Jorgensen |
Colleentinker
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Username: Colleentinker
Post Number: 6296
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, July 14, 2007 - 11:02 pm: | |
So amazing. Thanks, all, for the quotes!
Colleen |
91steps
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Username: 91steps
Post Number: 161
Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 9:27 am: | |
I grew up in Talbot Co, MD, on the Eastern Shore and was a waterman growing up. In the winter I tonged oysters and in the summer trot lined Blue Crabs. Do to over harvesting the Chesapeake Bay is becoming more and more polluted every year. Not to step on any toes, but God put crabs, shrimp, clams and oysters in the water for a specific reason, to clean the water. Even after leaving Adventism I still adhere to the dietary laws that He put in place for us. I personally know of watermen who would takes oysters from clearly marked polluted coves. They could have cared less that the oysters could have been contaminated as long as they made a buck. Just something to think about. |
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