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| Snaggle Registered user Username: Snaggle Post Number: 15 Registered: 7-2006 |
A few weeks ago I was invited to a Friday night kids bible study group, you guessed it an sda group. I wanted to keep the peace so I went along. Here's what happened... The bible study group leader gave an illustration to the kids about God's love, the trick is called The Egg Drop. The way it works is that you setup a glass of water on the table with a bowl sitting on top of the glass, followed by a toilet paper roll and finally an egg sits atop. The goal of the trick is to get the egg into the glass of water. Well, the teacher went on to use the trick as an illustration. The glass of water represents God's love, the egg is us, and the obstacles in the middle are 'Mr Satan'. Are you fuming yet? The trick went like clock work as the teacher quickly smacked the bowl and sure enough the egg landed in the glass of water. So, what's the analogy? Well, the teacher said this is what we need to do to get to God's love. We need to smack 'Mr Satan' out of the way and then we can receive God's love. I guess it is typical sda doctrine to believe that there are obstacles in between us and God's love. What a crock! I just about had to walk out before I caused a scene. By the way here is a link that describes the trick: http://www.stevespanglerscience.com/experiment/00000084 - Mike | ||
| Grace_alone Registered user Username: Grace_alone Post Number: 646 Registered: 6-2006  |
Well Snaggle, I believe that the the "obstacles" are the SDA doctrine!  Leigh Anne | ||
| Luzisbornagain Registered user Username: Luzisbornagain Post Number: 28 Registered: 7-2007 |
what in the world? The SDA give satan a little too much credit and power in their doctrines. It's a shame because when Jesus resurected the bible says He rose up with all power. (Message edited by luzisbornagain on July 06, 2007) | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 6225 Registered: 12-2003  |
Mike, unbelievable. Leigh Anne's right--the obstacles are the SDA doctrines! The idea that WE can push "Mr Satan" out of the way is preposterous. Jesus does that—Jesus has done that—and our freedom from "Mr. Satan" comes only when we are in Christ. It's pretty depressing to realize that the same old heresy is taught to yet another generation. WE get to decide to defeat Satan. WE have to choose to push him out of the way. Have you noticed that the main focus of Adventism is not Jesus but rather fighting Satan and his endless temptations? Adventism is truly carnal (main focus is on what to eat, drink and do), and it really gives Satan a great deal of attention. Colleen | ||
| Reb Registered user Username: Reb Post Number: 287 Registered: 5-2007 |
Didn't Christ already defeat Satan when He died on the Cross? I thought "It is Finished" meant that it is FINISHED? DO SDAs really THINK Satan still has a chance of winning. If so, isn't that terrible blashpemy? | ||
| Luzisbornagain Registered user Username: Luzisbornagain Post Number: 31 Registered: 7-2007 |
Yes they also believe that azazel the goat that is casted out of the camp that bears our sin is satan. Now that is blasphamy. But why be shocked about this when these doctrines were channeled by demons to ellen g white. 1 timothy 4:1-4 "Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; 3Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. 4For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:" | ||
| Reb Registered user Username: Reb Post Number: 289 Registered: 5-2007 |
Good points, Luz. I am actually of the opinion that EGW's "visions" were neither from God nor Satan but the product of her medical problems. | ||
| Luzisbornagain Registered user Username: Luzisbornagain Post Number: 32 Registered: 7-2007 |
Or maybe a little of both. Sometimes mental problems can be taken advantage of by the evil spirits, but she sure did have an imagination though. Sounded like she was paranoid. Who knows. It's funny because my mom's side of the family have grown up adventist and they all suffer some form of schizofrenia, including my brother. | ||
| Philharris Registered user Username: Philharris Post Number: 96 Registered: 5-2007  |
Reb, While EGW's medical problems, in my opinion, had a lot to do with her "visions" don't be to quick to rule out demonic influence. Up until I returned to the Lord at about age 27 I had three basic nightmares with one of them overcoming my thoughts awake. My point is I am beinging to think their source could have been demonic. My point is the first and second nightmares began when I was living within about three miles from Elmshaven. The third one started when we were living futher up the hill at Angwin. The awake nightmare, even though it went away many years ago, still gives me shutters when I stop to think about it. If EGW is the reason for my nightmares, then that is proof, to me, that demons are real and she had one. Phil | ||
| Dennis Registered user Username: Dennis Post Number: 1143 Registered: 4-2000  |
Reb, Seventh-day Adventists don't want Satan out of the picture quite yet because their sins can only be blotted out by Satan himself suffering in annihilation for them. For Adventists, Satan has an important part in their atonement. All in all, according to this heresy of heresies, without the salvific role of Satan there can be no heaven for anyone. Do heresies get any worse than this? Dennis Fischer | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 1911 Registered: 10-2004  |
You're right, Dennis. It's the worst heresy imaginable, especially when you really look at what the teaching really is according to official SDA teaching/EGW, instead of just accepting the "spin" that some of the SDA apologists try to give it. Jeremy | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 1912 Registered: 10-2004 |
Reb wrote:
Reb, I've got to go with God's Word on this:
If God says EGW was led by deceiving spirits and was taught by demons, I've got to believe it! Jeremy | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 6242 Registered: 12-2003 |
Very interesting observations, Phil. I believe you're right. Dennis and Jeremy, very well said. Colleen | ||
| Luzisbornagain Registered user Username: Luzisbornagain Post Number: 42 Registered: 7-2007 |
I remember reading somewhere out of an ellen g white quote where she forbade certain adventists from getting married and having kids because it was distracting them of the adventist cause. So the 1 timothy 4:1-4 text applies to ellen g. white perfectly when you think about it. | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 1917 Registered: 10-2004 |
Yes, she also forbade interracial marriage, severely restricted sexual relations between husband and wife, spoke against having children, and even taught that people should not marry at all because it was the "last days." And some people think she doesn't fit the "forbidding marriage" part of 1 Timothy 4! She even taught that Jesus' words about it being like the days of Noah where people will be eating and drinking and marrying, meant that those things were sinful!! But Jesus' whole point was that those things were normal and that life would be going on as normal in the last days! So she totally fits 1 Timothy 4, by twisting Jesus' meaning to try to say that eating/drinking (wrongfully anyway, according to her definitions!) and marrying are sinful things! It's total absurdity, not to mention doctrines of demons. Jeremy | ||
| Reb Registered user Username: Reb Post Number: 298 Registered: 5-2007 |
Hmmmm she did do those things. Maybe it was both mental illness and the other stuff you guys are saying? It's obvious EGW WAS clinically mentally ill. | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 6261 Registered: 12-2003 |
Reb, brain damaged, mentally ill, and developmentally disabled people are still able to know the Lord Jesus. We have a special ministry at Trinity for mentally disabled people, and they absolutely know and love the Lord Jesus. One of their number is a former Boeing engineer who used to travel internationally and lecture at conferences. A few years ago he was mugged in Seattle as he was traveling on a speaking engagement. He was severely brain damaged and spent several months in a coma/semi coma. He will never be the same. He is wheelchair bound, he cannot speak very intelligibly, he seems to have some cognitive dysfunction although in some respects he can still function rather well. It was after his accident as he came out of his coma that he came to know the Lord Jesus. He realized as he was slowly coming around that God had saved his life. This man recently did a PowerPoint presentation at church that gave his story in brief, and he stated that he would not undo what happened to him because it resulted in his knowing Jesus. Ellen's duplicity and persistent lies about God having given her her visions and surious messages cannot be written off to mental illness. Brain damage does not mean a person cannot know right from wrong. Ellen was spiritually compromised, not just brain damaged. If we don't admit the truth about her true nature, we are vulnerable to her because we are not squarely facing the implications of the truth. Colleen |
