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River
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Username: River
Post Number: 978
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 03, 2007 - 10:10 am: |     |
Hi Cloudy,
Glad you have come to a place where you can know everybody's glad you came and everybody knows your name, well, screen name anyhow.
(Waving to Ken, Dianne and Cloudy) (wave wave) 
River |
Stevendi
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Username: Stevendi
Post Number: 154
Registered: 10-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 03, 2007 - 2:29 pm: | |
Hey Cloudy,
I've asked this question a hundred times, including SDA pastors, SDA elders, SDA hospital administrators, and various "laypeople". Just what the heck is an "evangelistic Adventist". Not one person has given me an answer - not even an evading one. Best I can tell, it is code for how they handle the cognitive dissonance of Adventism. Not willing to make a move, not really searching for the truth about Adventism's contradiction with the Gospel.
So...what is it exactly?
steve |
Cloudy
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Username: Cloudy
Post Number: 6
Registered: 7-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 03, 2007 - 3:22 pm: | |
Hey Steve,
I am shocked that 100 SDAs couldn't answer the question at all. But perhaps it has to do with the difficulty of describing a mirage when you are the only one who sees it.
My definition would have been an evangelical protestant who retains some of the distinctive adventist beliefs.
An Evangelical Adventist believes in:
salvation through faith in Christ alone,
the inerrancy and primacy of scripture,
the Trinity,
that the 10 commandments are guidelines for Christian behavior,
that the body is God's temple and should be treated with care and respect,
that eternal life is only granted to the saved, and that the damned will be annihalated(sp?)
I considered Desmond Ford to be the "father of evangelical adventism" and hoped that the church would apologize for Glacier View and reinstate him.
Over time, I have come to believe that it is problematic to attempt to affirm EGW as a prophet or messenger of God without doctrinal authority as "evangelical adventists" usually do.
I do not expect the church to ever acknowledge that Ford is correct about Daniel 8:14 and I am glad that he finally renounced his church membership. It seemed to me to proclaim that the hope of an evangelical adventist church is dead allowing some of us to move on. |
Colleentinker
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Username: Colleentinker
Post Number: 6197
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 03, 2007 - 3:40 pm: | |
Steve, I'm laughing over your apt definition of evangelical Adventist! Cloudy, I would have partially agreed with your definition during my "evangelical Adventist" days. I would not have endorsed Scriptural inerrancy, though...I would have said "infallible"--meaning there could have been mistakes in there, but the main meaning got through.
Colleen |
Flyinglady
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Username: Flyinglady
Post Number: 3911
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 03, 2007 - 5:30 pm: | |
Cloudy, Dianne, and Ken,
Welcome to FAF. I think I greeted Ken yesterday, but that is okay as I can say Hi again. I am so glad all of your are here. God is answering the prayers in our prayer circle. That is 3 of you new comers this week. WOW!! Thank you God. You are so awesome.
Diana |
Luzisbornagain
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Username: Luzisbornagain
Post Number: 7
Registered: 7-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 03, 2007 - 6:02 pm: | |
welcome treasurehntr I'm also looking for God's gems of truth, too and am new here. Welcome. |
Treasurehntr
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Username: Treasurehntr
Post Number: 2
Registered: 7-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 03, 2007 - 7:55 pm: | |
Thanks everyone for the warm welcome..)
BTW Phil im a Navet, so i am very familiar with the chow line.
Group Hug..lol |
Dennis
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Username: Dennis
Post Number: 1137
Registered: 4-2000
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 04, 2007 - 6:25 am: | |
A hearty FAF welcome, Ken and Cloudy!
Dennis Fischer |
Stevendi
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Username: Stevendi
Post Number: 157
Registered: 10-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 04, 2007 - 6:56 am: | |
Cloudy,
Thanks for attempting to get my brain around a working definition of evangelical Adventist. The first thing that came to my mind was that old Paul Simon song "slip-slidin' away".
Sorry to all those "EA's" out there, without Ellen White, IJ, legal Saturday-keeping, there is no such thing as Adventist. I tried to understand for years how so many who call themselves Adventist keep redefining themselves so as to maintain a personal comfort zone, attempting to squish themselves in between mainstream Protestant New Covenant and Adventism. The object seems to be to safely distance oneself as far away from Adventism as possible and yet avoid an indepth spirit-led search for what is truth and what isn't. Alas, if only Adventists would only study their Bibles.
steve |
Jwd
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Username: Jwd
Post Number: 284
Registered: 4-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, July 05, 2007 - 12:50 pm: | |
Hello Ken,
A wonderful, yet scarry (in a way) phenomenon takes place once the first shafts of Living Light pierce your cell to give you the first glimpse of true freedom "in Christ." The dock on which you used to feel so secure, named "The Remnant" began to shake and one by one the securing posts begin to rot and the dock begins to show signs of breaking loose from it's ground roots that reach back to 1844; your mind is filled with confusion and a sense of insecurity as you begin to fight for balance.
After awhile you discover that what you thought was the "Remnant Dock" is that ship Phil referred to. Gradually insecurity and fear is replaced with exuberant joy and a daily growing security and assurance you never knew before.
Feeling that you know virtually nothing is so very healthy ~ as it fits into this picture. For as Adventists we prided ourself in knowing it all!
Now, perhaps for the first time in our lives, or at least the first time in a very long while, we are TEACHABLE! You have to cleanse the "window of your perception" in order to see clearly that which the Holy Spirit Teacher puts before you. As onion skin after onion skin of false perception and erroneous beliefs are cleared away, you begin the wonderful, refreshing experience of supplanting falsehood with Truth Itself, and eventually you discover that it is none other than JESUS Himself which is this Truth! Jesus IS the authentic Gospel, in a Word.
The journey you have been launched onto is a never-ending, joyous, exciting journey. This same old Bible of mine continues to present what appears as NEW truth, springing forth from the same texts I've read dozens of times over the years. They are not new, but they ARE new to my understanding NOW; for as my window of perception is being cleansed of all the false teachings and theological pre-suppositions said to be "the truth" and "the message"......I suddenly am able to "see" Truth for the first time. And so it appears as NEW to my understanding. Now it becomes LIVING Bread, and oh how delicious it is!
The Holy Spirit will guide you. But if I may offer one suggestion for your consideration. In addition to reading Mt, Mk, Lk and Jn, you will find virtually every former question and misconception answered and explained if you focus on a study of Romans and Galatians, while returning often to the Gospel of John. Find a
good translation and begin to read these slowly, prayerfully. Pretty soon the bright Light shining forth from these grand Truth sources, will nearly blind you, and you will find tear drops on virtually every page as your spirit responds to the love and grace of God that will embrace you.
At first I was embarrassed by feeling that I was a Kindergartener again. But now I enjoy being in Kindergarten; not trying to "know it all," but in being open daily to the simple, yet utterly profound Living Truth of God's Word as the Spirit of Christ within me presents continually expanding glorious understanding from that "old, old story", now written on my heart anew.
Your introduction and apparant growth so far, is a direct answer to my daily prayers for all those in similar circumstances within the SDA Church.
God bless you abundantly. He surely will so long as you remain open, and teachable. It is so refreshing to not have to focus on KNOWING EVERYGHING, but now, simply in KNOWING HIM and Abiding in Him?
Soli Deo Gloria,
Jess |
Treasurehntr
Registered user
Username: Treasurehntr
Post Number: 9
Registered: 7-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, July 05, 2007 - 1:30 pm: | |
I am so rude
I did'nt wave back to Cloudy and Diane
(Two handed wave to Diane and Cloudy!!) |
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