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River
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Username: River
Post Number: 857
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, June 09, 2007 - 8:52 am: |     |
Hi Dianna,
Are you back in Lost Wages or still in Orkinsow?
I am glad for you that you have no contact with Adventist, if they ever do tell you you are lost open your Bible and preach to them from Acts 10:11 and ask them what day God allowed for them to determine who is clean and unclean. Ha.
Thank you for prayer Dianna, I sure need it.
Got to go do work for the love of my life whom God gave me.
River |
Flyinglady
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Username: Flyinglady
Post Number: 3751
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, June 09, 2007 - 9:56 am: | |
River,
I came home to Lost Wages yesterday and I miss that grandson, DIL and son. Arkansas is gorgeous and green and very humid. I like it because my son and his family are there.
Oh, a report. The minister for the Celebrate Recovery program came from Little Rock. I asked his wife to recommend a church with a good children's program. They recommended the church they left. So, Sunday we went to church there. My DIL liked it, my son had some objection to what a man said in his prayers-something about tithe, if I remember correctly. They did not leave their son with the children's program as they like him with them during the church service. I think my DIL will be going back this Sunday and I am praying she leaves my grandson with the children's program. My son is in Louisiana for a week.
Keep them in your prayers, please everyone.
Diana |
Larry
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Username: Larry
Post Number: 13
Registered: 5-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, June 09, 2007 - 4:22 pm: | |
There was a bit of talk about the Sunday Laws going on above. You all want my take?
First, do not discount that Sunday Laws could happen apparantly JUST LIKE SDA'S SAY. If it is the Devil that made this prophecy, then the Devil can also fulfill it. How? I speculate that when it becomes WELL known to lawmakers and religious authorities just how "soul losing" the SDA denomination really is, laws could be enacted to discourage that sect. SDA's will then point to Sunday Laws and say, "see, we predicted this all along. It was prophesied long ago. This is evidence we are right". Then watch the masses of gullible people run into the adventist fold 
Is this being overly cynical?
Expect false miracles to take you by suprise, but do not waiver from the truth. Kinda reminds me of what I constantly tell my wife. She has a bad habit of swerving on the road at any speed to avoid hitting any sort of critter. As you know this can have deadly outcomes. So I coach her that no matter what, just hit the critter and keep driving. I try to have her commit to a rehearsed critter-hit! So it is with the truth, no matter what false miracle you see coming, just squish it with your Biblical tires and keep going! |
Grace_alone
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Username: Grace_alone
Post Number: 581
Registered: 6-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, June 09, 2007 - 9:01 pm: | |
Good one Larry! Love the Biblical tires. Good to see you again too - where you been?
 Leigh Anne |
Larry
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Username: Larry
Post Number: 15
Registered: 5-2007
| | Posted on Sunday, June 10, 2007 - 12:54 am: | |
Leigh Anne,
I usually do not have the luxury of time to post during the weekdays, altho I try to read all the interesting threads. I do alot of manual labor outdoors during the week. I have sort of set aside my weekend time for reading more thoroughly these threads and perhaps responding to some if the spirit moves me. That is why my post count is not very high. Thanks for asking, however!
Another thing that could be a false miracle is EGW's usage of a "black cloud half the size of a mans hand" when speaking of Christs return. Revelation states that it is a WHITE cloud. Could the devil be planning some sort of counterfeit involving a black cloud? I would bet yes. Don't ask me what happens when the deceived get on that black cloud. My point is they are deceived into believing other than what the Bible says.
The other point being that EGW states it is a black cloud vs the Bible stating it is a white cloud. In one fell swoop, she took away white (subtracting from the book of Revelation) and inserted her counterfeit black (adding to the book of Revelation). Isn't it Revelation 22:18-19 that tells what happens to those who add and subtract from this book? (HINT: they get destroyed)
SDA's have been put under a "judgement curse" because they endorse a prophet that received a vision that God rejected the entire world, save the Adventists, in 1844 (this in itself is another ADDITION to Revelation!). This lie against God put them under that specific curse, and they can no longer discern when God is judging others, or NOT, nor when they have committed errors that will get judged and condemned, such as adding and subtracting from Revelation.
How can a "prophet" write 25,000,000 words and not once add, subtract, or contradict the Bible? Adventists fail to see this as well. Proverbs 30:6 says that the word of God is perfect, do not add. If you do, He will prove you to be a LIAR. Liars go the the lake of fire.
I would not encourage anyone to argue with SDA's using this sort of info. It seems to only lock them into their error even stronger, from personal experience. Their deception is so utter and complete, that human logic is powerless to free them. Only prayer for them asking the Holy Spirit/Godhead to intervene can do anything for them.
I have had a person sitting right in front of me pray, asking to receive truth, and 5 minutes later could not tell me the difference between the white cloud of Revelation and the black cloud of their prophet! Sad. Especially when you tell them that the 2nd coming could be a hundred million times brighter than the sun, and nothing about it is going to look black ... yet they tell you "we go by the bible" as they smile at you, and cling to their black cloud... |
River
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Username: River
Post Number: 858
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, June 10, 2007 - 9:40 am: | |
Larry,
I enjoyed your post immensely, this line, “My point is they are deceived into believing other than what the Bible says.
And this line” SDA's have been put under a "judgement curse" because they endorse a prophet that received a vision that God rejected the entire world, save the Adventists, in 1844 (this in itself is another ADDITION to Revelation!). This lie against God put them under that specific curse, and they can no longer discern when God is judging others, or NOT, nor when they have committed errors that will get THEM judged and condemned, such as adding and subtracting from Revelation.
Those words carry a tremendous message.
One morning as I meditated on the scriptures and at the same time on the fellow that I mentioned above at the beginning of the thread I was reading along in Amos 7:7 Thus he showed me: and, behold, the Lord stood upon a wall made by a plumbline, with a plumbline in his hand.
Amos 7:8 And the LORD said unto me, Amos, what seest thou? And I said, A plumbline. Then said the Lord, Behold, I will set a plumbline in the midst of my people Israel: I will not again pass by them any more:
As I was just cruising along there in Amos, as I said I had the welfare of my friend strongly upon my heart and the Holy Spirit suddenly spoke to me and said “River, what do you see in my word?” and I said “Lord I see a plumbline in your word”. And I was saddened by this, it did not speak to me as my friends faring well when he shall face God.
Now one could argue that it was not the Holy Spirit speaking to me, that there was no message and that I am taking the Bible out of context, but the spirit of the thing was that it involved a personal question about the truth of Gods word.
Over 36 years of listening for that still voice speaking to my spirit pretty well convinces me that it was the Holy Spirit that was speaking and that he does minister to my heart as I read his word.
Even taking it for granted that It was only my own mind, the question still stands as a good question, is Gods word something we are free to manipulate to fit the situation or as a plumbline able to give us a straight measure.
Does God word change with how we feel about someone? If it does then we can have no plumbline and we really cannot depend on it.
Is gods word a plumbline in his hand? I see it that way and that is why I draw comfort from it as well as rebuke.
This thing that the Holy Spirit spoke into my heart about the plumbline has been verified many times since then as someone like Larry comes on here and stands up for Gods word.
While we may not agree on many points of the Bible and we may be apart on some theological concepts I am positive that Larry and I could meet and shake hands firmly and in truth of conviction and no wavering, looking one another straight in the eye and say “Amen brother” to the truthfulness of Gods word and we would say “Amen brother” in agreement on the greater portion of Gods word.
While at the same time I could not do so with the fellow mentioned in this thread.
What the Holy Spirit brought to the table and the reason for asking me this question I believe was this, he wanted me to confess this, he was saying ”Do you believe this or not regardless of how you feel about some one?
And yes, I am convinced of the truth of his word.
River |
Colleentinker
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Username: Colleentinker
Post Number: 6021
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, June 10, 2007 - 12:07 pm: | |
Our sermon today was on Mark 9:42-50—hell. The passage begins with the warning to those who cause "these little ones" to sin. Gary explained that while children certainly are in view here, the more likely underlying meaning is those new believers who are vulnerable to deception. He made the point that people who spiritually abuse others, causing them to be deceived and fall into sin, will suffer the wrath of God.
The whole service was very emotional for me; I am realizing in more and more ways how devious and dark my Adventist heritage is. For them to look right at Scripture and teach the opposite...the implications are devastating. I have a friend who has a relative who's an Adventist pastor. He preached a sermon last week in which he addressed three specific Bible references and said they seren't true.
One was Adam being with Eve when Eve sinned (Gen 3). He said it doesn't literally mean that or Adam would have stopped Eve. (Which brought up another realization for me: as Adventists, were you all taught that Adam was responsible for sin? Or were you taught that Eve was?)
Another thing this pastor said was that he knows that Ephesians repeats that the Holy Spirit is the seal of God, but in the end of time, that is not true; the Sabbath will be the seal. He used no Scripture references, but he declared this to be true.
Yes, the Bible is 100% true, and we must take it as face value or risk being lost, as River's "plumb line" example clarified for him.
Colleen |
Gcfrankie
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Username: Gcfrankie
Post Number: 8
Registered: 1-2007
| | Posted on Sunday, June 10, 2007 - 2:39 pm: | |
River,
I know there is a non-denominational group that teaches strictly from the bible only. You can not use any reference books or any theology teachings from your church. It is a five year course. Maybe your friend would be interested in taking the course with you. I am not implying you do not know God's word but it may help your friend. It may help your friend to feel he is not threated by any one religious group. People from many religious churches go.
My mom who believed in God (non SDA) took the class and she said what a blessing she got from it. I was in SDA at the time and working so I could not go but how I wish I could have. She told me of many catholics and others who were taking the class and were for the first time really reading the bible and what a blessing it was to see them grow.
Colleen would happen to know the name of the group? If not River I would suggest asking churches in your area if they know of one. I know I am going to look into it.
Gail |
River
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Username: River
Post Number: 859
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, June 10, 2007 - 3:04 pm: | |
Gail,
He is pretty much hard line Adventist and I think he would be closed to that. But yes, that would be nice.
I have heard of the group you are talking about though and I am not aware of one in this area, I believe some on the forum attended.
Thanks for the suggestion.
River
P.s> there are many opportunities for Adventist to branch out but it is a hard go to reach them, they are so steeped in Adventism that it seems to blind them to the rest of the world. |
Larry
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Username: Larry
Post Number: 17
Registered: 5-2007
| | Posted on Monday, June 11, 2007 - 7:53 am: | |
Yep. Even if he went to a Bible study group, he could be absolutely blind to the truth. You cannot choose that which you do not want. And when these people think they have the "truth", then they do not want any other truth. Prayer folks, is all you can do in times as these, it seems. If the person in question really is a truth seeker, then God will somehow lead them into it. But if they are not really a truth seeker, there is no way they are going to come into it. This is why deceptive religions that teach altered gospels are so dangerous. |
Reb
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Username: Reb
Post Number: 135
Registered: 5-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, June 16, 2007 - 5:51 am: | |
Adventists simply refuse to open their minds to anything.
My wife is curious as to what Seventh Day Baptist doctrine is but yet refuses to visit an SDB church to find out for herself. Her latest thing is they are wrong becuause even though they keep the Sabbath they do not follow the Levitical food laws. I read again the scripture from Rom 14 where Paul said Christ has convinced him that no food is unclean in and of itself.
As for the Sunday Laws, they will never happen. Sunday Chirstians could care less whether people go to church on Saturday again because of what Paul said in Rom 14 and other NT scripture. And do you think for one minute the US can force Red China to do ANYTHING let alone worship on Sunday or any day for that matter?
The ridiculousness of Adventist doctrine indicts itself. |
Alnadean
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Username: Alnadean
Post Number: 38
Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, June 16, 2007 - 8:09 am: | |
Larry, that was an extremely thought-provoking post.
Though I have never heard about the 'black hand'-but will look for it; I totally agree that the devil could certainly produce a counter feit- especially ofcourse with their beloved 'sunday law' -though not necessarily in its entirety, because it's as ridiculous as Reb said
This i swhy it's important to know the Bible and stand firm on what you believe- no matter what other signs you see. It really helped to reinforce this in me, having not thought about it in that way.
For me, there was only a few seconds between being adventist and non adventist. It took a few moments to decide that I would believe God rather than man; trying to figure out what miss white meant became a non issue in my decision- so literally one minute i was adventist and the next I was not----what proved to be most difficult and still has been is to tell people that I'm not.
Oh, I guess the point I was trying to make was that I have never allowed my self a 'what if I'm wrong' I beleive it is dangerous to waver. I believe I learnt that I should just believe God and accept it in faith and act accordingly in that freedom....I really hadnn't thought about a 'what if a sunday law did indeed get passed' that would have been interesting to see what I would have done- but thankfully, your bringing it up makes me know exactly what I'll think or tell others- it's just like the passage that tells us not to believe when someone says that Jesus has come some place- because every eye shall see Him; incidentally, I believe she has said that in the time of trouble only the righteous will hear God's voice telling them the day and hour (what is with her and this 'day and hour')but all else will hear a thunder- now I think they may indeed hear a voice-not of my Jesus, and the rest of us may indeed hear thunder- what happens next should prove really interesting...I beleive we shall indeed see the wheat and the tares seperating.
Hold fast to what you believe- understand the 'thus saith the Lord'- stand firmly on GOd's side, no matter the signs, because in the end it is that faith - that unshakeable faith that will save us; I feel the need to say amen.
Ok gyus God bless
Al-Nadean |
Flyinglady
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Username: Flyinglady
Post Number: 3776
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, June 16, 2007 - 9:53 am: | |
Al-Nadean,
It is interesting that you have not had a "What if.." moment. Neither have I. I gradually left the SDA church, so when I finally cut ties, they were cut. There were no strings keeping me attached.
You last sentence I really like. "Hold fast to what you believe-understand the 'thus saith the Lord'-stand firmly on GOD's side no matter the signs becasue in the end it is that faith-that unshakeable faith that will save us."
Diana |
91steps
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Username: 91steps
Post Number: 154
Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, June 16, 2007 - 11:53 am: | |
"As for the Sunday Laws, they will never happen. Sunday Chirstians could care less whether people go to church on Saturday again because of what Paul said in Rom 14 and other NT scripture. And do you think for one minute the US can force Red China to do ANYTHING let alone worship on Sunday or any day for that matter? "
Reb, very well put! Not to brag, but on our court, out of 2 dozen homes, there are 3 people that attend church on a regular basis. My wife, a widow lady two doors down and myself. The rest do not go, can not recall when I last saw any dressed up on Sun.
Do you think the "world" would stand for no NASCAR, baseball, football, basketball, etc on Sun! No beer or booze being sold. HECK NO!!! The first time I read that ridiculous phamplet about the Sunday Law I laughed my head off. Caused me some serious grief with the
sister White Says" club members at my old church!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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