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Mwh
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| | Posted on Saturday, January 06, 2007 - 8:11 am: |     |
Hi everybody
Wanted to share some new things I've found.
Two SDA web ministries:
http://www.gospeloutreach.net/sda.html
http://www.ftfacts.com/sda.htm
Teaching on the state of the dead:
http://www.mmoutreach.org/audio_jwinfoline/teaching/state_of_dead.mp3 |
Colleentinker
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| | Posted on Saturday, January 06, 2007 - 9:12 am: | |
Very interesting, Mwh. Good stuff!
Colleen |
River
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| | Posted on Saturday, January 06, 2007 - 10:13 pm: | |
Turn you screen over Richard you got it upside down
and mine all rolled to the bottom!! |
River
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| | Posted on Saturday, January 06, 2007 - 10:16 pm: | |
Never mind its my monitor, I just weighed it and its too heavy, all the post are settling too the bottom!! |
River
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| | Posted on Saturday, January 06, 2007 - 10:24 pm: | |
Er,Er, no thats not it either, I found a hole in the bottom of my monitor, I think the new post are leaking out.
I stopped up the hole with a piece of toilet paper and i,ll check back in the morning, I also laid it on its side so I don't lose all of them just in case the toilet paper comes out.
Your resident Genius.
River |
River
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| | Posted on Sunday, January 07, 2007 - 7:54 am: | |
I taken this from the top link provided by MWH. Thanks MWH.
Romans 3:31 Ö "Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law." SDS, use this as evidence to suggest that we must also keep the Law. But looking at the chapter more carefully, if the "Moral Law" is still binding, then look at verse 20. Romans 3:20: "Therefore no one will be declared righteous in His sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin." This matches up with Galatians 5:4 "You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace." And furthermore in Romans 4:14: "For if those who live by law are heirs, faith has no value and the promise is worthless".
I also taken this excerpt from one Adventist who twice a month e-mails me.
so the atoning blood of Christ provides an atonement or covering for sin
(Lev. 17:11) and spiritual deliverance from the evil world.
Through faith in Christ, our sins are covered, forgiven, and our
filthy rags are covered by the pure white robe of Christ's
righteousness.
Does he sound like someone who could possibly be an Adventist? Yet he is and as far as I know follows the Adventist belief, supports the doctrine, the 28 fundamentals. The whole nine yards by default.
It is my own humble and I mean humble, opinion, that even though he may believe the above statement with his whole heart and yet upholds such an unbiblical statement as the IJ by his very act of supporting such an organization and by his very act of attending and upholding and supporting such an organization, however inadvertently, does perform the act of preventing (getting in the way) and hindering people from coming to a full knowledge of salvation offered through the preaching of the pure word of God, thereby is guilty of hindering the Gospel from going forth and also binding people to a life of uncertainty, rules, useless abstinences, regulations, hinders those with a heart for preaching the Lords grace, exclusion and division of the body of Christ rather than bringing cohesion and at the same time lift up hands and say ìLord thy will be doneî and so standing in direct support by default an organization that will stand in direct opposition to anyone they feel has violated the rules of that organization.
Can one then, by supporting such an organization, say ìI am innocent?î.
If this was a court case and you were on the Jury would you find him guilty or innocent by default?
If you find a verdict of innocence what would be your argument for his acquittal?
What would be your same verdict if it was a case of someone in the Mafia crime organization who by his own secrecy supported that organization and was caught up in a sweep? However brought into that organization did continue to uphold by secrecy and taking his living from that organization?
Would you find him guilty by default?
A man drove through a school zone and was ticketed three times even though he drove slower and slower through the zone, finally in frustration he appeared in court to plead his innocence for speeding, the judge said ìSir, the ticket was failure to wear a seatbelt. Guilty by default.
An appeal to piety
ìThe Sunday Go To Church Crowdî.
By casual observation one readily seeís that these folks diligently adhere to the Ten Commandments. Because of this they live a quiet and sober life-style; at no time would you find these people brawling in the streets or stirring up strife and lawlessness.
Their religious heritage is of prime importance to them. Their parents or their grand parents were well churched and the faith has successfully be passed on from one generation to the next.
Without question, these people should find special favor and acceptance before God. If these, donít, who then can stand before Him? Foundministries/Guilty.html (edited for clarity)
Guilty by default?
I have honestly struggled with this question in light of scripture as pertaining to Adventist. Not as a judge or jurist too condemn would, I do not feel a need to find them guilty or innocent accept as the need to make concrete decisions for evangelization purposes, it is a waste of time evangelize the saved.
After all they sound so pious, so innocent, yet in looking at the beliefs upheld by acts of support directly or indirectly of such beliefs as the IJ which, to my way of thinking, is so far out of bounds of scripture as to be unthinkable that anyone could come up with such a theory and does not even remotely represent the Bible. It is an aberration that exists out of the bounds of human reason and even a rank self confessed sinner might scoff at it and for that matter, the impositions put upon the people by EGW and appear beyond the pale of innocence. And that is not even taking in to consideration the rest of the errors.
If I try to look at them all at the same time my mind rejects taking it all in.
The question of guilt by default both appalls and fascinates me at the same time so that I feel as if I have been mesmerized by a Cobra of astronomical size waiting to spit its blinding poison just at the right time.
I apologize for the long post, it just seems my post have a tendency to get that way all by themselves.
River
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Colleentinker
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| | Posted on Sunday, January 07, 2007 - 10:35 pm: | |
River, you are addressing the core issue all of us who have left have had to face. We could not embrace the full, completed work of God through Jesus and stay in Adventism. The reason? Staying would have meant that we silently endorsed the unbiblical, foundational, core doctrines of Adventism. To endorse those doctrines by staying would have meant being untrue to Jesusóthe eternal almighty God who became a man, became sin for us, became a curse, and fulfilled all the righteous requirements of the law, endured the wrath of God, and broke the power of death for us.
He alone had to be ALL we embraced! All the other identities we had, including Adventist, had to be jettisoned for Him.
I guess I have this reaction to the question of guilt by default. In a way, we all experience guilt by "default" because of original sin. Yet we are held accountable for our own sin and are objects of wrath by nature.
I see the guilt of Adventism as being much like the guilt of Eve. Eve, unlike Adam, was deceived. She listened to the serpent and was deceived. Adam deliberately took the apple from Eve and ate, knowing exactly why he shouldn't have done so. Eve knew God said she shouldn't, but she was deceived by the serpent.
Adventists are deceivedóbrainwashed, actually, to borrow Dale Ratzlaff's word. But I slightly differ from the idea of guilt by default. I believe God really does allow Adventists opportunities to know Jesus. For one thing, they do have the Bible. The Holy Spirit awakens cognitive dissonance in them. God Himself allows Adventists to experience confusion over the contrast between Adventism and the words of the Bible so they will begin to question and be curious about truth.
I believe that Adventists are deeply deceivedóbut God knows hearts, and He knows who is open to know truthóto know Him. So, I guess I wouldn't call it guilt by default, although I can't say for sure exactly how it "works".
I do understand, though, your feeling of being mesmerized by an astronomical Cobra. I see the cobra, though, as Adventism itself. It is mesmerizingóand it is very difficult to avoid it if it is blocking your path. Only by turning our eyes to Jesus can we avoid being completely duped.
But you are right; Adventist theology leads one AWAY from salvation, not toward it. It is so very disheartening to hear from Adventists and to experience their sometimes-defiant, often stubborn certainty that they have the truth. I can only pray that God will deliver them from their bondage to dishonesty and/or deceit.
Colleen |
River
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| | Posted on Monday, January 08, 2007 - 7:10 am: | |
Yes, you are correct, we are every one of us guilty by default and that is why Christ came, to take upon himself our ìGuilt by defaultî and give us the gift of his innocence.
In looking at the Adventist I have come to the point I think in asking ìWhat do I do with them ìkillum or cureum?î but these words again come to mind this morning as I study ìFather forgive them for they know not what they doî.
So on a personal basis, if I can just extend that prayer for those around me, be it Adventist or who, and it come from the heart in true prayer, then I will have forgiven them any trespass and so have the heart of the father for I have prayed for them just as Jesus prayed for us on the cross.
So that is what I do with ìthemî, ìthemî being whoever.
Which of us have not taken his turn at the whip by our very own words, deeds and actions?
My flesh nature says ìYea, return to the whipping post!î but my father says gently ìNo my child, return to the cross.î
How many times have we laid the flesh bare of those around us, perhaps even those closest too us and gave them the thirty nine plus one?
We would find it far better if we instead from the cross pleaded ìFather forgive them.î And thus crucify the old nature.
I think if we do so the Lord will arise with healing in his wings and heal our own souls.
I think perhaps only then will we be able to reach out to our brothers and sisters, who toil under the load of deception/ with the true love of Christ.
River
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Susans
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| | Posted on Monday, January 08, 2007 - 7:09 pm: | |
River, the problem is reading what the bible says plainly on one hand, and reading what EGW says about the bible on the other. Bottom line is, the cognitive dissonance is brought about by trying to match up the bible with the prophet. EGW always trumps.
It's funny that I remember one of the reasons many (me) Adventists did not read anything by other Christian authors is that they did not believe in Sabbath, (they don't speak according to the LAW and to the testimony so there is no light in them) so you couldn't trust them to not deceive you on other things. It was best to stay away, because it only takes a little error mixed in with the truth to deceive you. It's ironic that the error of the IJ has led so many Adventists away from Jesus and the pure gospel.
I was thinking today what an ironic double standard.
SusanSUSANS |
Jeremy
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| | Posted on Monday, January 08, 2007 - 7:34 pm: | |
River, you wrote: "Does he sound like someone who could possibly be an Adventist?"
Yes, because they will use right-sounding words, but they have different definitions for those words than Christians do.
Take for example, his words about Christ's atonement being a covering for our sins. They believe that Christ's atonement merely covers our sins, but that they still stand on record and will condemn us if we do not pass the Investigative Judgment. They believe that Christ's atonement does not actually blot out, or GET RID OF, or TAKE AWAY our sin (John 1:29). They say that Christ's atonement does not "cancel sin" (EGW quote) (Hebrews 9:26 says Christ's sacrifice "put away sin"--Strong's definition is: "cancellation"). And they believe that if we do pass the Investigative Judgment, our sins will be blotted out of the record books and that it is Satan who will then bear our sins and bear the penalty for them and actually get rid of/blot out/take away our sins, as the scapegoat of Leviticus 16.
It is too horrific and Satanic to even think about.
Jeremy
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Colleentinker
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| | Posted on Monday, January 08, 2007 - 9:58 pm: | |
Yes, Jeremy and Susan...you are right. The words sound right to an outsider, but they don't mean what they sound like. Such deception comes from the domain of darkness. It cannot come from light.
Colleen |
River
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| | Posted on Tuesday, January 09, 2007 - 6:39 am: | |
I hear you dear gentle Christian friends but there is something that has been eluding me for several days, it may be something that I have subconsciously refused to look at or it may be something that the Lord is not ready for me too see, it could be just the cognitive dissonance one would experience when one looks at Adventism and yet I donít believe that is it at all.
I look at them (Adventist) and I turn away, look at them again and turn away.
I was cruising through Amos this morning and in Amos chapter 7 verse 7 it goes like this (Amos 7:7 NIV) This is what he showed me: The Lord was standing by a wall that had been built true to plumb, with a plumb line in his hand.
(Amos 7:8 NIV) And the LORD asked me, "What do you see, Amos?" "A plumb line," I replied. Then the Lord said, "Look, I am setting a plumb line among my people Israel; I will spare them no longer.
When I read this text it was like the Lord was saying to me ìRiver, what do you see?î and I answered ìLord, I see a plumb line.î
Now you may think that that is silly, the Lord does not speak through reading snippets of scripture like that. Feel free is all I can say.
To translate what I just said for you, the Lord has laid a plumb line, Jesus is that plumb line, and his word is that plumb line and that plumb line cannot be reasoned and proof texted out of existence by anyone. It stands straight and strong and sure, Jesus stands straight and strong and sure.
This was not the answer that I had expected, I have felt for days that there was something that I was about too know, ìRiver, what do you see?î it is something that I have been looking at all along but refusing see, I looked at the Adventist and then looked at the plumb line and looked back at the Adventist and then again at the plumb line, how can I know that this was the Holy Spirit speaking? He always points to Jesus. Thatís always my first clue!
Thank you, thank you for your post up there, I know you probably will wonder ìWhatís he talking about, the post up there?î donít worry about it.
I feel great, I feel good, I feel like getting up and dancing around.
Adventist shamadventist I have seen a plumb line, if it wasnít 6:00 in the morning I would have to get my Guitar out and play for the Lord. Glory to God!!! Glory too God in the highest!!
Rivers gone plumb crazy! You got that right, plumb crazy for Jesus!
River, what do you see? A plumb line I replied.
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Colleentinker
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| | Posted on Tuesday, January 09, 2007 - 11:35 am: | |
Praise God, River! He always reveals the truth about the situations in our lives when we are open to knowing. (He probably actually makes the truth available whether or not we are ready to know, but He is faithful to reveal Himself when we seek Him.)
Colleen |
Stevendi
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| | Posted on Tuesday, January 09, 2007 - 3:16 pm: | |
Adventism just makes me plumb tired.
Steve |
Susans
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| | Posted on Tuesday, January 09, 2007 - 5:53 pm: | |
River, what an interesting thing for God to show you! Here is a devotional from the Church of God Daily Bible Study. I thought it was interesting and pertinent to your experience.
Tuesday, January 18 2005
The Lord's Plumb Line
by Wayne Blank
A plumb line is a simple but accurate tool used for determining whether or not something is perfectly vertical i.e. upright. Used since very ancient times, a plumb line consists merely of a line and a weight of some sort, at first just a stone, but later a weight made from lead. The Latin word for lead is plumbum, from which the weight came to be called a plummet (hence also the origin of plumber, originally a worker of lead - including lead pipes). Plumb lines were known to many people throughout Bible History, including Jesus Christ who would have owned a set of various weights of them for His use in the building trade. The Lord also used, and uses, a "plumbline," His Word, to determine how upright His people truly are in His sight. How upright they think they are, or how upright they proclaim themselves to be, means nothing to God.
"Behold, I will set a plumbline in the midst of My people"
References to the use of a plumb line in the Holy Scriptures are almost always that of The Lord's plumb line, how righteously people stand (righteous actually means upright) according to His Word. Whenever God's people became crooked (and almost never did they ever think of, or see, themselves as evil and corrupt even though they became so evil and corrupt that God couldn't stand the sight or sound of the hypocrites any longer), The Lord sent in the wreckers to demolish what made itself a condemned building (see also Why Babylon? and The Galilee Captivity).
Much of the purpose of The Lord's Prophets was to warn His people how crooked and warped they've become, regardless of how self-righteous they seem in their own eyes, whereby they think that "the evil that others do is not evil if we do it."
"Thus He showed me: and, behold, the Lord stood upon a wall made by a plumbline, with a plumbline in His hand. And The Lord said unto me, Amos, what seest thou?"
"And I said, A plumbline."
"Then said the Lord, Behold, I will set a plumbline in the midst of My people Israel: I will not again pass by them any more: And the high places of Isaac shall be desolate, and the sanctuaries of Israel shall be laid waste; and I will rise against the house of Jeroboam with the sword" (Amos 7:7-9 KJV)
The condemnation wasn't just about The Lord's people back then. The Lord does not change. What He said was wrong back then is just as wrong today because The Word of God is Timeless.
"And I will stretch over Jerusalem the line of Samaria, and the plummet of the house of Ahab: and I will wipe Jerusalem as a man wipeth a dish, wiping it, and turning it upside down. And I will forsake the remnant of Mine inheritance, and deliver them into the hand of their enemies; and they shall become a prey and a spoil to all their enemies; Because they have done that which was evil in My sight, and have provoked Me to anger, since the day their fathers came forth out of Egypt, even unto this day." (2 Kings 21:13-15 KJV)
The Messiah was and is however a better builder. We can be sure that He never built any crooked walls during His first coming, just as we can look forward with absolute certainty that the spiritual house (see the Fact Finder question below) of which He is the corner stone, or key stone, will be perfectly straight in every way. The Christ is coming to make straight all that has made itself crooked.
"Therefore thus saith the Lord God, Behold, I lay in Zion [see Who, What or Where Is Zion?] for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste." "Judgment also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies, and the waters shall overflow the hiding place." "And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it." (Isaiah 28:16-18 KJV)
Susan |
Colleentinker
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| | Posted on Tuesday, January 09, 2007 - 7:20 pm: | |
Wow, Susan...that devotional is exactly related to River's insight. I find it so amazing how God confirms the things He wants us to know.
Colleen |
River
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| | Posted on Tuesday, January 09, 2007 - 7:47 pm: | |
I will try to explain what I think is happening here, here is a previous Quote from someone, make no difference who, I am displaying it for thought processes only.
Quote: I honestly believe that God will be big enough to accept all those who have sought eternal life through Jesus His son, regardless of denominational affiliation and peculiarities.
Another quote: Take for example, his words about Christ's atonement being a covering for our sins. They believe that Christ's atonement merely covers our sins, but that they still stand on record and will condemn us if we do not pass the Investigative Judgment. They believe that Christ's atonement does not actually blot out, or GET RID OF, or TAKE AWAY our sin (John 1:29). They say that Christ's atonement does not "cancel sin" (EGW quote) (Hebrews 9:26 says Christ's sacrifice "put away sin"--Strong's definition is: "cancellation"). And they believe that if we do pass the Investigative Judgment, our sins will be blotted out of the record books and that it is Satan who will then bear our sins and bear the penalty for them and actually get rid of/blot out/take away our sins, as the scapegoat of Leviticus 16.
It is too horrific and Satanic to even think about.(end of quote)
Some think because of Adventist and other cultsics sincerity that God will be ìBigî about it and just swoop sincere folk right on in.
But we have this scripture too contend with: (Mat 7:22 KJV) Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
(Mat 7:23 KJV) And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
I think it boils down to this, if we canít depend on his word, we have no plumb line, if we cannot depend on him to be just, we have no plumb line.
Ones who hold his word in untruth, whether or not sincere are in a very real danger.
It is not a matter of God being ìBigî about something, itís a matter of him being a just God, which he is.
When someone in the Adventist church desires to preach Christ grace, they are taken from position and left on the side of the road bleeding, spiritually speaking, what kind of fruit is that?
If it was a question of sincerity I wouldnít be concerned for the Adventist, I dare say I would have never made it to this forum seeking help from you good people.
What was eluding me was the fact that I didnít want to face facts that these people are in trouble and a more sincere people you will never meet.
I already knew about Godís justice, at least to the best of my ability to know. But when the Holy Spirit said to me ìWhat do you see?î I had to answer the question ìLord I see a plumb lineî a sure stone. A tried stone. His word is a plumb line and Jesus is the Word, we can depend on it.
Now the Lord has brought me face to face with his Word and I cannot look away, I have to gaze into it depths, it lures and pulls me too him.
I think what was happening was that I would look at his word, then look at Adventist doctrine and turn away and say ìSurely not all those peopleî but the Lord is causing me to look at the Word.
I believe God is taking branches from the fruitless Adventist tree and grafting those branches that will produce fruit on to other fruit producing trees just as a said and it seems unnatural but God works his will. Unless I see different I will continue to believe this.
I canít tell you folk what to believe concerning your Adventist friends and family. I just have to struggle along the best I can with my own situation.
We are made just by faith alone and grace alone too the best of my ability to understand, we stand before Christ with nothing in our hands but faith in him alone.
God alone sees hearts.
River
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Colleentinker
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| | Posted on Tuesday, January 09, 2007 - 10:10 pm: | |
River, I understand what you are saying, and I feel for you. There is pain in what you are seeing and knowing.
Yes, God alone sees heartsóand we must stand before Him holding onto nothing but Him. As He reveals impediments, we must trust Him enough to let them go. Our rationalizing will not change things or make our compromises OK. He asks us to trust Jesus alone.
It still surprises me when I see God clearly revealing spiritual compromise by the light of Scripture. Your insight from Amos, River, is one of those. What a profound insight.
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Jeremy
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| | Posted on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 8:55 am: | |
River, I agree with you. The bottomline is, as others have said before: Sincerity is not a substitute for truth.
Jeremy
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Randyg
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| | Posted on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 11:05 am: | |
To my Christian brother River,
I am quite honored that something I wrote warranted being quoted by you. I refer to my comment "I honestly believe that God is big enough to ACCEPT ALL THOSE WHO HAVE SOUGHT ETERNAL LIFE THROUGH JESUS HIS SON, regardless of denominational affiliation and peculiarities".
This understanding of mine is what I take away from my reading of Romans 14 regarding the Weak brother and the Strong brother. Both are acceptable to God, even though their understanding of what God requires of them, and their view of their freedom in Christ differs.
I also refer to John 3:16 "Whosoever believes in Him shall have eternal life".
Do I believe in "salvation by sincerity"---no way, and I don't believe that is what I stated or implied.
I stated that man looks on the outward appearance but only God can look on the heart.
And whether one believes Adventists are wrong or deceived(which I do) on some theological interpretations, I believe most of the ones I KNOW, are seeking a closer walk with their Saviour.
When I say God is BIG enough, I of course mean that our God is inclusive and accepting of his children even though we all might not agree on everything theological as long as we understand that salvation is through Christ's sacrifices and our acceptance of that gift.
For me to say anything different, would judge the limits of God's grace, and it would judge my fellow believers, be they Adventist or not.
I hope this clears up what seems to have been a troubling comment of mine.
Your brother in Christ,
Randy
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River
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| | Posted on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 2:45 pm: | |
Randy,
I do know you do not believe in "salvation by sincerity" I apologize for taking liberties with your post, but I did leave it in context: ACCEPT ALL THOSE WHO HAVE SOUGHT ETERNAL LIFE THROUGH JESUS HIS SON, regardless of denominational affiliation and peculiarities".
It was not meant as a mark against your post or your beliefs, what struck me about your statement was the word ìBig enough to accept allî which was only part of your statement and not in context to what you said at all. I said at the beginning of my post it was to establish a thought process only.
What I was referring to is many of the new age movements today and the assumption that exist today by many that God ìwill wink atî in favor of sincerity on the part of the individual.
Part of your sentence taken me back to a particular theology class where this was discussed.
I in no way intended to display your post as an object of ridicule, false belief or to hurt you in any manner.
Now I have made a mess of a post and possibly hurt or offended you and I sincerely hope this effort to straighten it out doesnít end up making it worse.
I am surly taken aback by my own ignorance and hoof and mouth disease.
River
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Randyg
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| | Posted on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 4:38 pm: | |
To my friend River,
No offence was taken, however I felt that I needed to clarify my point, in case others were left with the impression that somehow there was more required of them than is spoken of in Scripture regarding salvation by faith in Christ alone.
As I think of my life, I am thankful for the Bigness of God's grace to accept through Jesus, a sinner such as I.
I, in no way, took your use of my comments to be ridicule, false belief, or anything malicious. I know you better than that.
Now being a Podiatrist I can help you out with the Hoof disease, and my friend Grace here I am sure can help with the mouth part.
All that is of course unnecessary at we understand that your point was not specific to my complete post, but rather a misunderstanding of a phrase or two.
I enjoy your comments, and respect your point of view.
Again, peace and goodwill,
Randy |
River
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| | Posted on Thursday, January 11, 2007 - 4:46 am: | |
Thanks Randy,
I know what you mean by not bringing judgment on them (Adventist) or for that matter, anyone else.
I also enjoy your comments and respect your views.
And you hit on the question that I have been struggling with around here for years.
I cannot see their heart but God can and does see all our hearts.
Peace Brother and lots of it.
In Christ
River
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