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| Zjason Registered user Username: Zjason Post Number: 13 Registered: 11-2005 |
A while back I think I read that egw was given a copy of paradise lost by j andrews, but placed it on a high shelf and stated that she hadn't read it prior to writing patriarchs and prophets. Does anyone know anything about this, as far as where it is documented? I searched the internet, but didn't come up with anything substantial...well, except that it was mentioned that one of her sons made passing mention of it. thanks Jason | ||
| Freeatlast Registered user Username: Freeatlast Post Number: 457 Registered: 5-2002 |
The following is the excerpt you are probably referring to. It is taken from the White Estate website. It is contained within a series of addresses that W.C. White gave to the faculty and students of the Advanced Bible College (now PUC) in 1935. You can read the entire set of addresses by going to www.ellenwhite.com and typing in "Paradise Lost" into the "Issues and Answers" field. It's the first hit that comes up: Here's the partial section: "...I remember a year or two later when she was writing on the lines of the early patriarchs, Elder J. N. Andrews was visiting at our home. After dinner was over, Mother would propose to read to him and Father what she had been writing. Both Elder White and Elder Andrews were attentive listeners and one day after two or three chapters had been read to them, Elder Andrews said, "Sister White, have you ever read Milton's Paradise Lost?" "No," she replied. "Have you ever read any of his writings? Again she replied, "No." A few weeks later he brought a copy of Paradise Lost, and read to Father and Mother some of Milton's descriptions of the experiences of Lucifer in his great rebellion. Later on he brought a new copy which he had purchased and gave it to Mother. She thanked him for it, and looked at it a few minutes without opening it, put it on a high shelf in a cupboard built in back of the stove and under the chimney support. There the book lay many days and several years..." | ||
| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 891 Registered: 7-2004 |
I don't know if it was in The White Lie (Rae) or Whitewashed (Cleveland) that I read it, but one of those books states that Ellen White was a brilliant copiest, meaning that she could read and retain at near word-for-word status many books, letters, reports, almost anything that started in written form. As an example, someone had written down what they believed to be confirmation of the ongoing nature of the Sabbath day and had left it on a kitchen table where she was staying at the time. That night she had a "vision" that practically quoted the letter that had been left on her table. Of course she stated that she had never seen the letter. Does anyone else remember that comment? | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 3270 Registered: 12-2003  |
I remember a similar story quoted in Ratzlaff's "Cultic Doctrine" about a document prepared by Crozier outlining the idea of the Investigative judgment. It was in a room (library, I think) in his house (I think) when Ellen was visiting. She was alone in the room for a while. Shortly thereafter, she had a vision confirming the idea. She said she had not read the document. Colleen | ||
| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 893 Registered: 7-2004 |
That's the one. I just remembered the subject matter wrong. Ellen was sickly, so she was unable to attend school after the third grade. That does not mean that she stopped learning at the third grade. She had a twin, and twins have always been known to have a unique language between them, and they help each other out. It's as though the success of one validates the other. Anyway, I don't think one should count her out as being slow just because she had a head injury that took her out of school. She learned to cope, and she continued her lessons at home, you can count on that. That is not to say that she didn't learn how to use her "weakness" to her advantage. People would never think to be suspicious of her because she hadn't finished school. | ||
| Zjason Registered user Username: Zjason Post Number: 14 Registered: 11-2005 |
Ellen white had a twin? | ||
| Zjason Registered user Username: Zjason Post Number: 15 Registered: 11-2005 |
Sorry, hit the button twice.... | ||
| Zjason Registered user Username: Zjason Post Number: 16 Registered: 11-2005 |
never mind. | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 3282 Registered: 12-2003 |
Yep, she did--although I'm not sure she was identical. I saw a picture of them as adults (younger adults), and they didn't look alike. Of course, Ellen had her "disfigurement", but even with that, they seemed quite different. I'll tell you what did look the same between themóthe VERY unhappy (even hard) eyes and facial expressions. I can only wonder... Praise God for rescuing us!! Colleen | ||
| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 896 Registered: 7-2004 |
Ellen's twin was named Elizabeth. Yes, she had a twin, but not much is mentioned about her after Ellen started having visions. I think I ran across a picture of her with her twin as posted on some Adventist site not long ago, but I can't remember how to locate it now. Sorry. | ||
| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 897 Registered: 7-2004 |
Ellen's twin was named Elizabeth. Yes, she had a twin, but not much is mentioned about her after Ellen started having visions. I think I ran across a picture of her with her twin as posted on some Adventist site not long ago, but I can't remember how to locate it now. Sorry. | ||
| Jorgfe Registered user Username: Jorgfe Post Number: 94 Registered: 11-2005 |
Colleen -- your mention of Crossier reminds me of Ellen's ability to remember what many of us have been taught was the remarkable way in which Ellen "was given" William Foy's vision. See http://www.ellenwhite.org/refute9a.htm See also http://www.ellenwhite.org/egw57.htm Sounds a lot like the way that Joseph Smith recieved his vision on the golden plates via the book that Solomon Spalding wrote to entertain himself while he was sick. See http://www.whatismormonism.com/ In that case the book disappeared from Spaulding's attic, and the story line (including mistakes) later showed up in the form of Joseph Smith's Book of Mormon. Leon Cornforth, of the Idaho Conference of Seventh-day Adventists, travels to conference-sponsored campmeetings and provides quite a bit of detail on this. | ||
| Jackob Registered user Username: Jackob Post Number: 77 Registered: 7-2005 |
Here is the picture I think Colleen said speaks about the unhappiness of EGW http://www.ellenwhite.org/contra7.htm | ||
| Jackob Registered user Username: Jackob Post Number: 78 Registered: 7-2005 |
even now, when I consider she a false prophet, I'm perplexed because she is a woman. If it was a man, like Joseph Smith, at least I will understand. But a women to be so cruel, with such an intolerance to opposition... But more than this, even the prophetesses of the Bible have only a small role in guiding God's people. Here in adventism we have a prophet which controls everything, and doesn't permit nobody, without exception to contradict her! What do you believe about her? It was on purpose? Was she deceived, or only smart to deceive others? After all, she copied almost all, but pretended to see what she copied. She loved people, even in her way, or not? She prescribed to others what she thought was a solution for her sins? | ||
| Pheeki Registered user Username: Pheeki Post Number: 739 Registered: 1-2003 |
Gee...she was fat too. I guess that simplicity of diet didn't work for her. | ||
| Dennis Registered user Username: Dennis Post Number: 569 Registered: 4-2000  |
The Morgan Stanley brokerage house, creator of the inflation index, reveals that the $20,000.00 that James White left for his wife is in today's money equivalent to almost $400,000.00. In other words, it was enough money for Ellen to buy about fifteen houses in her day. Her husband's death brought a dramatic resurgence to her claims of being "The Lord's messenger." She was then free to pursue her deception at a higher-paced momentum. Amazingly, she ended up bankrupt by over $60,000.00 at the time of her death in 1915. To save face, the SDA Church arranged to pay her creditors through installment payments. Dennis J. Fischer | ||
| Dennis Registered user Username: Dennis Post Number: 570 Registered: 4-2000 |
ADDENDUM TO LAST POST Additionally, the Morgan Stanley inflation calculator reveals that being $60,000.00 in the red in 1915 is the equivalent of being in the red by $1,105,351.64 today. Dennis Fischer | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 3286 Registered: 12-2003 |
Jackob, thank you! That is the picture I had in mind. Her monetary entanglements are amazing, and yes, I believe that regardless of how she began, she ended quite conscious of her power and used it for her own benefit. After all, men don't have any more penchant for corruption than do women! No, I don't believe that Ellen was maternal but misused. She discovered how much there was to be gained from wielding visionary power, and the temptation was too much. Her sad situation reminds me of Jesus saying it is better lose one's life and gain the world than to gain the world and lose one's life. Interesting statistics, Dennis. Colleen |
