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| Wolfgang Registered user Username: Wolfgang Post Number: 29 Registered: 10-2005 |
I was slumming over in the revivalsermon room and they are on alert for this day have any of you heard of this? It's being planned by the TBN people and others.Feb 6th,I just gotta kick out of the statement someone said"watchman alert" now those people scare me,I probably wont be allowed there for much longer,I told them I used to be afraid of the "sunday keepers" but im really afraid of them. I just found Adventist tommorrow some of those folks seem fairly balanced and are searching. | ||
| Jackob Registered user Username: Jackob Post Number: 73 Registered: 7-2005 |
I have heard in this Friday evening, a sermon was delivered with the message "something like this was never before" The people are scared again and for them it's a sign of the end. What is interesting is the fact that they invited also a rabi, and the subject is the Ten Commandments which are eliminated from the public places. It's not about the sabbath per se. The identity of the sabbath (sunday or saturday) is not at stake, they don't try to convince the rabbi to keep sunday! It's about the Judeo-Christian values, not only christian values. It's impossible to promote together with the jews the 10 commandments if you will try to legislate sunday and outlaw saturday. I'm still study the subject. What I see as a paradox is the fact that the aventists will oppose politically something which is politically advanced. How about the union of church and state? | ||
| Goldenbear Registered user Username: Goldenbear Post Number: 139 Registered: 12-2004 |
Jackob said "What I see as a paradox is the fact that the aventists will oppose politically something which is politically advanced. How about the union of church and state?" Many Adventist believe themselves to be Conservative politically. They denegrate Liberals. Without realizing that the liberals are the very ones who support some of their agenda items, like seperation of Church and State. Have you seen how Fox News and other conservitive commentators ripping Americans United for Seperation of Church and State. My understanding is that the SDA has long been a supporter of the efforts of this group. | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 3257 Registered: 12-2003  |
Interesting. Here in the Loma Linda area, Adventists are not known to be conservative. In fact, in recent elections, Loma Linda has been the only primarily democratic voting block in San Bernardino County. The reason? They fear the Christian Right. First they loved the idea of Gore's Jewish VP candidateóSabbath, you knowóand second, they felt Bush was playing into the hands of the Christian Right which they believe will ultimately produce the Sunday law. I remember Adventists being politically conservative when I was growing up--but at least in this next of the woods (well, I guess that metaphor doesn't really work well for So Cal!), Adventists are liberal. Colleen | ||
| Wolfgang Registered user Username: Wolfgang Post Number: 30 Registered: 10-2005 |
you know what I could never understand as a SDA is why be afraid of the sunday law,I never was because it only meant to me that Christ was coming soon,I always would say bring on the Sunday laws cause Im going home!! | ||
| Jackob Registered user Username: Jackob Post Number: 75 Registered: 7-2005 |
According to the scenario the sunday law will put the adventists in the front of entire world to respond with the bible ONLY why they keep the sabbath. This means Bible in context, not proof-texts. But, unconciously the adventists know they are not well prepared to defend their faith. They silenced the opponents in their ranks with church discipline and church authority, with Ellen White and Bible proof texts, but in this, they know that have a weak case, because they are fearful to go and take the entire Bible. And most of all, they fear to adress the pauline epistles, Galatians, Colossians. In a friendly environment, like Sabbath School they can evade the issue, they can interpret the texts without context, they can travel the old paths. But if they are taken from the old paths of thinking, they are lost. They are not familiar with the whole Bible. They knew only the propaganda texts, but the rest is a jungle. It's very hard to fight a battle, especially a hard and decisive battle for your life, when always you run from training and never fight in a real battle. They know that they are weak, at the unconscious level. They know that they have a weak case, even if they don't want to admit. | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 3262 Registered: 12-2003 |
Very insightful comments, Jackob. Colleen | ||
| Sabra Registered user Username: Sabra Post Number: 392 Registered: 10-2001 |
Wolfgang, Most Adventists don't know where they are going. | ||
| Wolfgang Registered user Username: Wolfgang Post Number: 35 Registered: 10-2005 |
I would agree with that,over at revialsermon they said "we are told "we should never say we are saved because it could mislead someone. My husbands grandfather died not sure of his salvation,he was a wonderful kind christ like man,and theres no doubt where he will be,but he would always say,I hope I will be there. | ||
| Wolfgang Registered user Username: Wolfgang Post Number: 36 Registered: 10-2005 |
I would agree with that,over at revialsermon they said "we are told "we should never say we are saved because it could mislead someone. My husbands grandfather died not sure of his salvation,he was a wonderful kind christ like man,and theres no doubt where he will be,but he would always say,I hope I will be there. | ||
| Lindylou Registered user Username: Lindylou Post Number: 112 Registered: 1-2005  |
Recently, I had a heart to heart discussion with a dear SDA relative. There has been some tension between us because she and her sister have turned into what I call, JudeoSDA's. They believe that the Torah is the only necessary part of the Bible that we need and that in fact, if the Jews had obeyed all of God's laws, we wouldn't have needed any other books of the Bible or EGW! (as IF!)- and that one should keep the feast days - avoid the pagan holidays...(Like Christmas!) ect.... She and others like her are taking a magnifying glass to the OT and looking at all the nitpicky laws in order to better understand God and His will for their lives. I was trying to explain why some of her other family members were uncomfortable with her beliefs - I told her that people don't like being around someone who is always thinking that their relatives are in danger of losing eternal life. I asked this question: "If Jesus were to come tomorrow, do you believe that I would make it to heaven?" She paused in a way that told me she did not think I would be - and then said the saddest words I've heard in a while: "I don't even know if I will make it to heaven." What a terrible, terrible legacy the SDA church has imprinted on the hearts of many of it's members! Makes my heart ache. | ||
| Bb Registered user Username: Bb Post Number: 119 Registered: 7-2004 |
There are groups of Adventists who believe in keeping the feast days, etc., right? Maybe they are these JudeoSDA's. There is one conservative Adventist woman I know of who left the church and went to Israel for years and lived in caves waiting for the Lord to come. She said all Adventists are lost, and their probation is closed. She freaked me out. That was back when I was an SDA so I got very frightened. Yet, she always has to be one step ahead of the norm. When it wasn't cool to be a vegan she had to be one. When that got more mainstream, she turned to raw foods. She joined this group, and now she doesn't keep the weekly sabbath!!! She buys and sells on Saturday, because she now believes in the "lunar sabbath" whatever that is. Has anyone heard of this? She keeps getting "new light" and following it. It is crazy if you ask me. Bb | ||
| Lindylou Registered user Username: Lindylou Post Number: 115 Registered: 1-2005 |
Yes, I've heard of this. I forget the pastor that is leading out in this - but there is a definite movement within the more conservative SDA's to head this way. There is a book called, "Testimony of the Moon" that claims to be the 4th Angel's message! The idea is that in order to be one of the 144,000 saints at the coming of Christ, you must obey all the laws of the Torah, keep the feast days, avoid anything with pagan roots, (like Easter and Christmas) and so on. These folks gather together for the Feast of Tabernacles in campers. My relatives who are in this movement are also into eating raw foods and very super sensative to any news that might mean the soon return of Jesus. The one thing I've not heard yet - is the "lunar sabbath" idea. But they definitely talk about having "new light". After all, if a church can have new truth in EGW, why shouldn't it carry on? It is all so complicated! Please.... just give me JESUS! | ||
| Zjason Registered user Username: Zjason Post Number: 18 Registered: 11-2005 |
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| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 3298 Registered: 12-2003 |
I agree, Linda. Unless people are born from above, they will resort to perfecting thenmselves by ever more rigorous works. I knew a young woman who had turned to Ellen during a particualry difficult time in her life, trying to live by Ellen's messages ever more perfectly. She read somewhere in Ellen's works that many people should be eating about half of what they currently eat. So saying, she cut her food intake. As time passed, that cut didn't seem adequate, and she cut her intake again. A few years later, this young woman hiked into the hills near where she lived very early one morning. She was severely malnourished and also locked into her obsessive thinking. She died that day. The heat soared above 100 degrees, and they found her lying near a scrub tree or bush with her Bible and Sabbath School quarterly. Only Jesus can heal the deep wounds in our hearts and save us from our compulsive attempts to discipline ourselves into obedience and perfection. Colleen | ||
| Jorgfe Registered user Username: Jorgfe Post Number: 104 Registered: 11-2005 |
Zjason - I couldn't help smiling  When people leave the Bible behind, anything can happen. I remember to scare tactics the faculty used to use when I went (as a child) to Andrews University Elementary School. Preparation for the Time of Trouble, they called it. We expected any day to hear that the Universal Sunday Law had been passed, the police would appear at our classroom door, and we would have to regurgitate the Bible texts we were supposed to have memorized -- or else we were doomed! Most of us figured we were doomed anyway. Gilbert |
