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| Lynne Registered user Username: Lynne Post Number: 74 Registered: 10-2005 |
I remember when I went to church 18 years ago and I was a very skinny and was asked if I had enough food and I said oh, yes, I just bought some bacon and... I'll never forget the look on the face of the wife of the pastor. She told me to throw it away, not to eat it. Well, today I bought bacon at Walmart and yes, I did look over my shoulder. I know I'm not guilty of sinning, but for 18 years I thought it was a sin! I grew up eating bacon and I like it. I won't each much, I have arthritis, but my kids like it and I don't mind at all. It is not a sin. | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 1985 Registered: 3-2004  |
Lynne, Just ask God to bless your food and thank Him for it. Eat what you need and just be thankful for food you can eat. That is the way I understand about food now. Diana | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 2890 Registered: 12-2003  |
That's how I understand it too, Diana! Lynne, I know how you feel. But what fun that you can enjoy it and can allow your kids to enjoy it! Colleen | ||
| Taybie Registered user Username: Taybie Post Number: 99 Registered: 4-2005 |
I am so glad that LEGALISM and people's OPINIONS have committed SUICIDE in my life! Lynne, I am happy for you! I love bacon and I now allow NO ONE, not a SDA, Muslims or other confused Christians DICTATE to me what is good for consumption. I eat what I like, what benefits my body, and as long as I give thanks to my God for it and ask His blessing over it - Honey, I eat! LOL!  Enjoy! | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 2064 Registered: 11-2002 |
Taybie, go for it. I, too like bacon. I probably only eat around four slices per month so I don't think I overdo it. I mention that because growing up I was plainly taught that when people leave Adventism there will be a progression into deeper and deeper sinful behaviours. Here's how I understand the SDA teaching about this. A person first begins doubting the SDA truth, especially the truth of the health gosple. That person will then start drinking a cup of coffee once in awhile or eating a bacon cheeseburger occassionally. Soon the person is experminting with having only a beer occassionally. Before he knows what is happening the devil has such a hold on this fallen previousially SDA that he not only is a fullblown alcoholic but is now a drug addict. And, I don't mean drugs prescribed by his SDA doctor (apologies, Stan) but rather illegial drugs that by their very use can block the Holy Spirit entrance into ones heart. Then he will switch tv channels and instead of watching Doug Batchelor or Mark Findley he'll turn on Girls Gone Wild or Howard Stern. The next step will be having seances because he has given up the truth about being totally dead and all SDA's know once someone gives up the truth on the state of the dead they will naturally want to contact their dead dearly departed. Finily at this point satan has that persons soul for eternity and the person is doomed for the eternal lake of fire. And, to think it all started with a slice of bacon. Yep, folks, that's how I was taught. | ||
| Pheeki Registered user Username: Pheeki Post Number: 699 Registered: 1-2003 |
Susan, you are funny. You need to post your picture! I have to see who you are. | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 2896 Registered: 12-2003 |
Susan, so funny! Actually, that pretty much how I was taught, too. Colleen | ||
| Heretic Registered user Username: Heretic Post Number: 215 Registered: 2-2005 |
That reminds me of when my former SDA church had a business meeting to decide whether or not to rent out the chapel, not even the sanctuary, to a small Presbyterian church to meet in on Sunday mornings. The resulting outcry that took place among the zealotry was truly astounding. One of their concerns was a fear that since they were apostates they'd want to use actual alcohol in communion which we all know leads to drug use. Someone actually said they were afraid they'd eventually be using hardcore drugs on the church property and there were indeed nods of agreement. Unbelievable, like you could walk in on a Sunday morning and find a bunch of junkies laying around in the hallways or something. Many of us had a hard time containing our laughter. You never know about those shady Presbyterians, you know. The saints also came armed with EGW quotes to fight this evil. Another major concern was that people driving by the church would see all the cars parked in the church lot and come to the conclusion that the church had made a switch to Sunday, thus compromising its convictions and making for a ghastly witness to the community. Not even the pastor could believe his ears. I guess that meant a good turn out for one of those infamous "work bees" could give the community the wrong idea. Heretic | ||
| Melissa Registered user Username: Melissa Post Number: 1185 Registered: 7-2003  |
Have you ever wondered....If lust is adultery in the heart (still a sin), and harbored anger is the heart equivalent of murder, wouldn't fake bacon and other fake meat "products" likewise still be meat (aka sin) "in your heart"? | ||
| Freeatlast Registered user Username: Freeatlast Post Number: 443 Registered: 5-2002 |
My sister and I fondly refer to all veggie-meat products as "the image of the beast" | ||
| Helovesme2 Registered user Username: Helovesme2 Post Number: 336 Registered: 8-2004  |
C.S. Lewis once wrote, "He that but looketh on a plate of ham and eggs to lust after it, hath already committed breakfast with it in his heart." | ||
| Derrell Registered user Username: Derrell Post Number: 94 Registered: 10-2002 |
LOL!!!! That is great. I, having looked with lust upon many a plate of various and sundry foods, have committed breakfast, lunch, dinner, and snacks in my heart. | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 2066 Registered: 11-2002 |
Back when I was a kid every Sabbath in church there would be a bragfest. I really don't know what else to call it. Someone at the front of the church would ask for a show of hands to various questions. The questions went like this, "Who gave out any literature this week?" The church members who gave out literature would raise their hands and then each person would state how many pieces of literature he/she gave out and their plans for follow-up. Then it went to items of clothing, food and other various things. I'm sure you oldies out there remember this. After never having raised my hand some old bitty got me walking out of church one Sabbath and told me she had noticed that I have never raised my hand for any wittnessing so she was challanging me to do something during the following week so I could raise my hand the next Sabbath. So, the following Sabbath the folks at church were asked these same questions and I raised my hand that I'd done a kindness. I was asked what I did and I told the congreation that I'd bought a big can of coffee, the biggest can the store had and I dropped it off at the rescue mission. And, would know that instead of being commended for being nice to the folks at the rescue mission I was given some very rude comments? One comment in particular in sharp in my memory. On the way out of the church the same bitty who had challanged me the previous week to do a kindness said, "Well, I guess coffee is a step up from what those folks usually drink." Then today while I was watching the news was on the tv about a study that shows coffee drinking women have more resistance to some illnesses than non-coffee drinking women. I thought of that encounter many years ago. | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 1989 Registered: 3-2004 |
Susan and Mary(Helovesme2), I am sitting here LOL and almost ROFL. You both have such a lovely sense of humor. As an SDA we used to call any fake meat "Fake steak". Thanks for the laughs. Diana | ||
| Helovesme2 Registered user Username: Helovesme2 Post Number: 337 Registered: 8-2004 |
Your mention of rescue missions brings to mind my recent personal experience with the food bank: In most of my previous life I was thankful food banks existed. I even donated from time to time one small item or another. When as an SDA (or rather a member of the SDARM by that time) I remarked that we would do well to help those who need food and shelter quotes from Ellen White were pulled out that expounded on how 'we must work for the 'higher classes first', and how the 'lower, more degraded' should be worked for afterwards. Quotes from correspondance with Dr. Paulson who was trying to start a rescue mission in Chicago that strongly chided him for his work since the Salvation Army was already working for those degenerates (I'm grossly paraphrasing). The message was clear - other people are taking care of the poor, we must reach the rich. So I just gave something once in a while to the food bank or the second hand store - and went on with life. After all, who knew what kind of people who used such things anyway? Fast forward to recently: I'm currently dealing with a MUCH reduced income. I was looking at the money I had left in the food budget and worrying how to stretch it to the end of the month - and someone volunteered to take me down to the food bank (we have no vehicle right now so we've been mostly walking). The food bank was such a blessing! We got fresh, homegrown tomatoes that somebody had brought in - as much as we wanted, day old bread, and quite a few staples too. It meant that the rest of my food budget could 'fill in the cracks' instead of needing to cover the whole time. I know it changed my view of such places! And of just who sometimes needs to use them. It also changed my view of what I can do to help them when I'm again in a better position myself. Blessings, Mary | ||
| Heretic Registered user Username: Heretic Post Number: 216 Registered: 2-2005 |
The names of the meat analogs have always cracked me up. "Swiss Stake", "Fri-Chik", "Wham", "Turkette", "Fried Chik'n", etc. Getting close but not too close to the actual dirty animal product name so as to not confuse the bretheren. Heretic | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 2897 Registered: 12-2003 |
Mary, praise God for that food bank! I understand how you felt. A long time ago when I was going through a divorce, there was a period of a few months (six or so) when I actually had to swallow my pride and use food stamps. I will never forget how I resisted that, and how embarrassed I felt. But I was able to eat, actually, and I remember realizing I needed to be grateful for that provision--and I was. Actually, the fake meat thing has always been a bit of a mystery. How, for instance, did people know what they were supposed to be imitating if they didn't eat meat? (I realize that's a rhetorical question; undoubtedly the makers of the pseudo-flesh ate meat.) H-m-m-m--I still do like Fri-Chick, though... Colleen | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 2067 Registered: 11-2002 |
Unshackled is by far my favorite radio program. I try to listen to it nightly. BTW, it is in the local SDA radio station. | ||
| Riverfonz Registered user Username: Riverfonz Post Number: 990 Registered: 3-2005 |
Yes, Adventism and it's so-called health message is nothing but phoney baloney. But like peanut butter the sticky stuff won't go away. (Courtesy of Robert Brinsmead--just so I won't be a plagiarist) Stan | ||
| Violet Registered user Username: Violet Post Number: 314 Registered: 2-2001 |
Susan the picture you painted about the down hill trend of your life, starting with a cup of coffee, is so funny but also so sad. Where is the Holy Spirit in these people's lives???? I can also relate to you SS morning bragging. We use to get BIG sticker stars in the Primary class if we did certain thing throughout the week. We all reported them done on Saturday morning, to receive our stars, but I must confess at the age of 8 or 9 I don't think I every did any of them. Were they encouraging me to lie??? ;);) |
