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Colleentinker
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Username: Colleentinker
Post Number: 2950
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Monday, November 21, 2005 - 10:03 pm: |     |
Wine, vinegar, and sugar??!! In the same meal?? Goodness, Derrell--you've got three forbidden foods cooking with that beef!
I can almost smell it...! Yum!
Colleen |
Derrell
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Username: Derrell
Post Number: 97
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 22, 2005 - 12:31 pm: | |
It was oh so good. I slow cooked it for five hours and had a late dinner last night. Just finished having the left-overs for lunch. |
Belvalew
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Username: Belvalew
Post Number: 767
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 22, 2005 - 1:06 pm: | |
Colleen, you brought up the forbidden nature of vinegar and it reminded me of a thread that we had on this forum a few months back about how Ellen White had a problem with a vinegar addiction and how hard she had to battle it. Have you ever heard of a substance called EDTA, or Chellation Therapy. It seems that a moderate intake of vinegar delivers EDTA to your system, and EDTA can help to clean and to keep your blood vessels clean, once they are clean the blood flow to your entire body is enhanced and all of your system work better. There are people who regularly pay large sums of money to be hooked up to an IV and receive Chellation Therapy. Chellation is just a santized and slightly modified form of vinegar, and it is as inoccuous to the body as vinegar, but oh the good it does for these people. Blood pressure is reduced, heart problems caused by compromized blood vessels are reduced, lots of good things. I wonder if Ellen would have fought her vinegar addiction so hard had she realized that it was doing her some good?
I have arthritis and it manifests by causing bone spurs. I saw my foot doctor yesterday who has done several surgeries on my feet. We were talking about how I might need to do another surgery because the spurs might be interferring with motion and are causing unnecessary pain. In the course of our discussion the thought of Chellation Therapy came up. There seems to be a new way of taking advantage of Chellation orally and it can do the same thing, just takes longer because of the EDTA having to be digested. This whole comment has been made just to set most of your hearts at peace about vinegar because unless you are allergic to the fruit or grain from which the vinegar has been made, vinegar is simply a food, and it might even be good for you! |
Colleentinker
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Username: Colleentinker
Post Number: 2957
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 22, 2005 - 7:30 pm: | |
Belva, thanks for that interesting information re: vinegar!
I'm still wondering if her addiction was to vinegar or if it was to the precursor to vinegar: alcohol. Can one actually become addicted to vinegar the same way they become addicted to alcohol?
Colleen |
Belvalew
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Username: Belvalew
Post Number: 770
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 22, 2005 - 9:18 pm: | |
Depends on how much vinegar you are taking in. I use it mostly for salad dressing, so my intake is very slight.
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Derrell
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Username: Derrell
Post Number: 98
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, November 24, 2005 - 3:04 pm: | |
A couple of days ago my son came in all wide eyed. He said, "Dad, I ate pig."
"Really?" I asked him, "What did you eat?"
"Real pieces of bacon and I really liked it, but thats a sin. I didn't know that it was real bacon, I thought is was fake."
I explained to him why it is not a sin, and now he wants me to go buy him some bacon. |
Lars
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Username: Lars
Post Number: 7
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, November 26, 2005 - 6:18 pm: | |
Cy,
Your term ìaccommodatedî is very interesting, especially from the SDA point of view. Have any of you thought about the extent to which SDAís expect everybody and everything to ìaccommodateî them in their belief system?
It brings to mind an incident my wife and I experienced a few years ago, when we were beginning to study our way out of the SDAism. My father-in-law had moved to assisted living and the time had come to sell his house. In spite of a relatively slow RE market in our area at the time, it sold immediately and we had only a short time to get everything moved out. The big day was set and it happened to be on an Easter Sunday. My wife and I, her brother and his three children, and a nephew and his family all worked diligently to meet the deadline set by the buyer.
Our plan was to just get a pizza-to-go for lunch, but we were surprised by a very gracious dinner invitation from a really neat RCC family that lived across the street from the FILís house. We readily accepted and arrived at their home at the agreed time.
At the time, my wife (Third generation SDA.) and I (SDA convert, so she would marry me.) were following the compulsory ìclean foodsî regimen. The nephew (Fourth generation SDA.) and his family were vegetarians. My wifeís brother was raised SDA, became an agnostic, and converted to Judaism after marrying a young lady who had converted to Judaism. And, of course, their children were Jewish.
We sat down, and to our surprise, there on the table, was the traditional Easter ham. My brotherís young son looked at the meat and asked his dad, ìIs that chicken?î and he quickly retorted, ìYes, thatís chicken!î We all heartily enjoyed the Easter Chicken instead of confronting our gracious hosts with our ìuniqueî dietary customs. At the close of the meal, the young son declared, ëThat was the best chicken Iíve ever eaten!î.
It makes me sorrowful to recall all of the times that, in our efforts to follow a legalistic superficial religious system, we expected, yes even demanded, that we be ìaccommodatedî as we ìwitnessedî to those around us.
Larry
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Colleentinker
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Username: Colleentinker
Post Number: 2968
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, November 26, 2005 - 10:13 pm: | |
Larry, thank you for sharing that story. It truly sums up so much my past including attitudes, "entitlement", obligation, unconscious (and sometimes not so unconscious) superiority, etc.
How wonderful that all of you actually ate that Easter Chicken! I don't believe I would have been that gracious at many times in my past.
Colleen |
Colleentinker
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Username: Colleentinker
Post Number: 2979
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, November 27, 2005 - 11:59 pm: | |
Well, I just have to report that Richard had his first Thanksgiving roast turkey this week--and actually liked it. He went on to eat a turkey sandwich the next evening--he seemed surprised at how good it was. (He graciously admits he used to mock my penchant for turkey sandwiches, but he now totally understands!) The turkey chili we had for lunch today he also pronounced excellent.
Wow--his conversion is amazing! (And I do thank God for it!)
Colleen |
Chris
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Username: Chris
Post Number: 1073
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Monday, November 28, 2005 - 7:41 am: | |
Wow Colleen! A whole world of new cuisine and dining experiences is about to open up to you and Richard.  I say that a bit tongue in cheek, but I have to say after being a life-long vegetarian I have thoroughly enjoyed the ability to try new things over the last few years. One of our favorite activities now is to go out to nicer restaurants and try new foods especially when well-paired with good wines. We were in Las Vegas recently and ate at the recently opened Tao. It was my first experience with Sushi of all things. How fun! I have really come to see food and drink as two of the gifts of God given to mankind through common grace. Sure, both can be abused to disastrous results, but so can any number of the things God has given us. When used within Biblical parameters it is truly a joy to experience the bounty of God's earth.
Chris
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Dt
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Username: Dt
Post Number: 70
Registered: 4-2005
| | Posted on Monday, November 28, 2005 - 9:25 am: | |
I must be a little slow on the uptake. I just this week "got" the SDA link between diet and salvation. It only makes sense if taken in context with the whole Investigative Judgment theme and reaching perfection so we will be suitable for heaven.
I saw a couple of quotes by EGW on controlling appetites etc. that points to appetite control as necessary for salvation.
What a joke. Who among us has any idea what we will see, eat, touch or experience in heaven? Don't you just take for granted that we live in a sinful perverted world and that God has prepared a place for us that is "Heavenly", meaning totally outside of anything we can imagine?
What else do we enjoy here on earth that we will not have in heaven? Will there be automobiles in heaven? If not, should I give that up now so my appetite for heavenly things will not be twisted by my desire to get in a traffic jam?
I can't believe that they are able to continually sell the link between vegetarianism and salvation.
Ok, my rant's over. Time for a turkey sandwich.
DT |
Melissa
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Username: Melissa
Post Number: 1196
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Monday, November 28, 2005 - 10:30 am: | |
Larry, I have seen in action what you spoke of. B went with me for my family's thanksgiving two years ago. On Friday night, I watched 12 very grown up adults trying to figure out a compromise on the dining establishment of preference to "accommodate" the demands of the lone vegetarian in the group. In small country towns, finding "restaurants" is skim pickings, finding them with vegetarians meals is even more rare, I guess unless you have an SDA church around. We drove a long way in 4 cars to get some place and he ate a baked potato.
I have long said, he has expected innumerable more compromises from me than he ever would have made himself, as does his family, who cooks those fake meat compounds for their meals, even when I'm there. Of all the nerve ... . |
Melissa
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Username: Melissa
Post Number: 1197
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Monday, November 28, 2005 - 10:31 am: | |
BTW, I heard vinegar used to have an alcohol component to it that it doesn't any more. Not sure if that's true or not, so I may be passing on fact, maybe fiction.... |
Colleentinker
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Username: Colleentinker
Post Number: 2980
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Monday, November 28, 2005 - 10:34 am: | |
Interesting, Melissa--if so, that could explain Ellen's addiction...
Colleen |
Freeatlast
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Username: Freeatlast
Post Number: 453
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Monday, November 28, 2005 - 10:42 am: | |
I saw a documentary on apple cider production over the weekend, and was interested to find that fermenting cider progresses over time from sweet cider to hard (alcoholic) cider to cider vinegar. In this second stage, it is quite potent - think malt liquor.
"Young" vinegar indeed has a significant alcohol content! |
Loneviking
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Username: Loneviking
Post Number: 395
Registered: 7-2000
| | Posted on Monday, November 28, 2005 - 3:34 pm: | |
Wine vinegar has an alcohol content--it's just wine that was left open too long. White vinegar doesn't have any alcohol.
Colleen, tell Richard I said 'Congrats!'. I know how big of a step eating Turkey was for him.
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Flyinglady
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Username: Flyinglady
Post Number: 2053
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Monday, November 28, 2005 - 6:41 pm: | |
Colleen,
Tell Richard congratulations from me also.
My son is like Richard was. He will not touch meat, any kind of it. I am praying for him. He does not eat it because that was how he was raised, my fault, not because he thinks it is a salvation issue.
If I ever get to CA for a weekend I will have my sister tell me how to make a Mexican sauce that left over turkey is put in. You then pour it over brown rice. Or you put it in a tortilla. It is delicioso!!! I will take it to the FAF Bible study when I do that.
Diana |
Colleentinker
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Username: Colleentinker
Post Number: 2984
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Monday, November 28, 2005 - 7:55 pm: | |
Yum!! I can almost smell it!
Colleen |
Dt
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Username: Dt
Post Number: 71
Registered: 4-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 29, 2005 - 5:44 pm: | |
Melissa,
What a perfect description of the attempt to find a restaurant that a vegetarian can eat in. Stopping at every restaurant, running in to check the menu, going to the next.
Nothing wrong with being vegetarian, it is just somewhat embarrassing for those related to them to constantly explain the peculiarities. Even that is not so bad as long as they don't look around the table at everyone else's plate with that self-righteous smugness.
Diana,
I would love to have the recipe for the Mexican sauce with turkey. It sounds great.
DT |
