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| Heretic Registered user Username: Heretic Post Number: 213 Registered: 2-2005 |
This article was written 3 years ago so some of y'all may have seen it, but it is truly amazing. I don't even know where to start with this. It never ceases to amaze me, the lengths that people will go to defend and explain away dear Mrs. White. Wow! http://www.sdanet.org/atissue/white/patrick/egw-affirm.htm I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on this. Heretic | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 2051 Registered: 11-2002 |
My favorite sentence of this article is in section three about health reform. "Seventy percent of SELECTED physicians" agree with EGW on her health reform ideas. I'll wager I could phrophitize where those 70% selected physicians are selected from. What a crack-up! Thanks for sharing. | ||
| Melissa Registered user Username: Melissa Post Number: 1174 Registered: 7-2003  |
Oh, I've only gotten through point 3 and have to laugh! Ellen's creativity?? I work with creative people. They're artist and writers and art directors and merchandisers....LOTS of proven, talented, creative people. I don't think her writing portfolio would pass the muster here! Besides, I thought EGWs words and visions were "FROM GOD" ... not a creation of her own. All he does is point out how she over and over began in a position of error to supposedly "discover" some new truth. It totally blows the "inspiration" of her writings. And it doesn't begin to try to reconcile what she has said with what scripture says. I guess I should finish the article...... | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 2862 Registered: 12-2003  |
Oh, my goodness--the shut door theory was a lifeboat that carried the smal Advent band against the sea of disillusionment?! I've met Arthur Patrick, the author--he lives and breathes EGW. His life calling is to be her apologist. He does the usual rationalizing in this article, glossing over jarring details (such as the Israel Damon incident--completely ignoring the liscentious component of the debacle) and re-setting the stories in modified scenarios so they don't appear to be as they really were. I agree, Melissa--creativity??! Sigh. Colleen | ||
| Freeatlast Registered user Username: Freeatlast Post Number: 440 Registered: 5-2002 |
Let me see if I got this straight... God showed Ellen White that the door of salvation was shut for awhile so that He might bring more people to salvation later on down the line? I wonder what someone living during those 7 shut door years who did not receive witness of the Gospel from these cultists would think of that lame coverup. God lied so that truth might abound?! There ain't enough lipstick at Revlon to turn this pig into a prom queen! BLECH. | ||
| Ray_pits Registered user Username: Ray_pits Post Number: 1 Registered: 11-2005 |
Sometimes Arthur Patrick tells useful information about EGW for former Adventists. For instance see http://www.sdanet.org/atissue/white/patrick/egw-teachers.htm and look at all of the highlighted text. Ray | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 2869 Registered: 12-2003 |
Hi, Ray--welcome to the forum! Glad you're here. The paper found at the link you posted is exactly the kind of discussion I heard consistently when I worked for Adventist Today. Every Adventist with a scholarly bent for research knows that they can no longer speak of the pioneers in glowing terms. Too much information is available. Further, they KNOW that Ellen "borrowed", changed her "views", contradicted herself, and even gave God's authority to complete heresy. The problem is that they cannot take the next step to considering the entire movement spawned from those pioneers might be fatally flawed. Instead, they try to admit the flaws and find new reasons to support Ellen's work. For example, I remember one article that ran in the mid-90's in AT which clearly stated Ellen's plagiarism and even admitted it was wrong and she should have admitted her dependence. Still, the article advocated, she gave a "prophetic voice" to a struggling young movement when it needed one. She provided a central stability that got the fledgling organization up and running, and for that we must give her credit and be thankful. Aruthr Patrick sees her that way. The problem is, you can't have a FALSE prophet--someone who claims God endorsed heresy, etc.--at the foundation of a movement of God. Yes, God clearly allowed the SDA church to develop. Yes, God has worked in the lives of many Adventists. No, Adventism is not a true Christian church. The problem is that apologists like Patrick see the problems but still try to rationalize the validity of the "Advent movement", so to speak. They are still not being completely truthful. They obfuscate the facts and rationalize the motives and try, still, to "make a purse out of a sow's ear". Colleen | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 1976 Registered: 3-2004  |
Colleen, You have a very good way with words and I agree completely with you. I went to the two web sites and they just get me confused when I try to read them. Thank God I am no longer a part of that. Diana | ||
| Lynne Registered user Username: Lynne Post Number: 62 Registered: 10-2005 |
The SDA church is a secular system that strives to market itself well in any climate. Package and market it right and you can sell anything. We all know that we have purchased bad products in the past that were marketed well, yet you thought you were getting something good, deceptively so. That is all this SDA church is about on the outside. I market and sell things quite well and prayerfully see this as a challenge. When your competition is satan, you can't compete without much guidance from the holy spirit and many prayers. | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 2872 Registered: 12-2003 |
Good point, Lynne. Diana, I so agree: "Thank God I am no longer a part of that." Praise God! Colleen |
