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Jeremy
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Username: Jeremy
Post Number: 980
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Monday, September 26, 2005 - 6:43 pm: |     |
Melissa, SDAs usually have no problem with eating honey (even the so-called "vegan" SDAs). EGW even called honey a "vegetable" food!
quote:"John separated himself from friends and from the luxuries of life. The simplicity of his dress, a garment woven of camel's hair, was a standing rebuke to the extravagance and display of the Jewish priests, and of the people generally. His diet, purely vegetable, of locusts and wild honey, was a rebuke to the indulgence of appetite and the gluttony that everywhere prevailed." (Testimonies for the Church, Volume Three, page 62, paragraph 1.)
EGW was also wrong about the locusts being "purely vegetable"--the Greek word only refers to the insect (it's a description of the insect even!), NOT a plant!
Also, I just noticed that she said John's clothing "was a standing rebuke to the extravagance and display of the Jewish priests"--what is that supposed to mean?? Didn't God tell the priests what they were supposed to wear?! And He commanded that it be "extravagant" (for the high priest at least)!
Jeremy
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Jwd
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Username: Jwd
Post Number: 112
Registered: 4-2005
| | Posted on Monday, September 26, 2005 - 8:07 pm: | |
I heard this past week that one of my former most hard-nosed enemies, who gave every indication of hating me when he was the Lay Activities Director of the Montana Conference, has been defroked by the Arizona Conference.
An Adventist M.D. who lives there said this man got into serious trouble in every church he pastored, and recently was discovered doing something illegal, as it had to do with a member's will or trust and they fired him and removed his ordination status.
This man refused to have his daughter march with her graduating class or participate in her own graduation because I was giving the Commencement address! He took secret recordings to the Conference President, hoping they would prove my false teaching (which was the authentic Gospel, which obviously he had never seen.)
I could not help but recall the words, "Behold your sins will find you out" when I heard the sad end of this man's career in Adventist ministry.
Jess |
Colleentinker
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Username: Colleentinker
Post Number: 2609
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Monday, September 26, 2005 - 10:12 pm: | |
Oh, Jess--I understand your feelings so well! Your acquaintance is probably representative of a large percentage of church administrators--at least, if they're not doing outright illegal things, many are cerrtainly making money in ways that would upset the laity if they knew.
The widespread grab for money and power in the upper echilons helps explain, I believe, the resistance at the top levels to the true gospel. So much would be at stake for them!
I admit that there are some who see the problems and do not wish to be part of them--may even try covertly to expose them. There is one person to whom I will always be grateful for pointing me to details during the Folkenberg debacle which I would not have known without his/her help. I pray that this person does or will experience the transformation of being born from above and being secure in Jesus.
Ah, the heritage we all share...!!
Colleen |
Schasc
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Username: Schasc
Post Number: 32
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - 11:35 am: | |
JWD,
What years were you at the Montana Conference? I taught school there a number of years ago and wondered if our paths crossed...... |
Riverfonz
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Username: Riverfonz
Post Number: 847
Registered: 3-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 28, 2005 - 5:03 pm: | |
I enjoyed the following article www.internetmonk.com/archives/2005/09/020018.html See if this Southern Baptist experience with alcohol doesn't mirror exactly the experience many of us had in Adventism with prohibitions on alcohol. The same arguments were used about Jesus making Welch's etc. I hope you find it interesting also.
Stan |
Susan_2
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Username: Susan_2
Post Number: 1951
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 28, 2005 - 9:02 pm: | |
Melissa, My heart really goes out to you and your sons in these delimmas. And, my heart goes out to B., too because he probably isd genuinelly upset about the food thing. As far as honey is concerned as I understand it the term vegetarian means only the part that is from animals bodies. Lacto-vegetarian means no meat and no dairy products. Lacto-ova-vegetarians means no meat, dairy or eggs. Most vegetarians from any of those catagorries will consume honey because the animal doesan't have to die and asd with eggs has no life-force in it. The Hindu's and the Hare Krishna's are ova-vegetarian, they eat no meat or eggs. They do consume a lot of milk products. Many very poverty stricken locations the ladies will eat the placenta after giving birth to their child. Placenta is nearly 100% protein and causes the lady to make good, rich milk to nurish her baby with. In fact, somewhere in a box of books in my garage I have a cookbook with only placenta recipies. It is the only source of animasl meat that the aniimal (or human) doesn't have to die in order to be eaten. I know vegetarians that make an exception for placenta. |
Flyinglady
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Username: Flyinglady
Post Number: 1882
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Monday, October 03, 2005 - 9:48 am: | |
On my cruise I ate shrimp and lobster for the first time. I had duck, ham and pork sausage also and some kind of fish (I do not remember what kind).
When my niece picked her mother and I up at the dock when we returned, she laughingly asked me about the shrimp and lobster and praised me for eating these things. My sister was raised SDA. She did not raise her children SDA.
It is so good to know that food is NOT a salvation issue. God is so awesome.
Diana |
Colleentinker
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Username: Colleentinker
Post Number: 2656
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Monday, October 03, 2005 - 3:33 pm: | |
How fun, Diana! Did you like it? (Liking it is hardly the issue, though--the issue is the FREEDOM!)
Colleen |
Flyinglady
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Username: Flyinglady
Post Number: 1885
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Monday, October 03, 2005 - 3:56 pm: | |
Well, Shrimp and Lobster have different tastes, but I did like them. I especially like shrimp cocktails. The sauce is so good. And, Colleen, you are right. Food is not the issue. It is is the freedom to choose what I want to eat.
Cannot say for sure, but I think there were a group of SDAs on board. There was an announcement in the Daily Cruise, the ships newspaper with the daily events on the ship and the excursions on shore. One of the announcements was Sabbath sign up. It was not in the paper on Saturday morning. I was to busy to look it up and see what it was. I was having to much fun.
I am amazed at the freedom in Christ that I have. No more guilty conscience because alcohol/pork/shrimp/lobster or any other "forbidden food/drink" is served.
God is so good with the freedom he has given each one of us who accept him. I am more amazed at how AWESOME He is.
Diana |
Lisa_boyldavis
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Username: Lisa_boyldavis
Post Number: 67
Registered: 3-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 04, 2005 - 10:39 am: | |
I started a potluck at our new church... last weekend our associate pastor walked into the room full of tables with food on the counter and cracked up laughing. He walked over to me and said, "Lisa, this looks like wild out of control rebellion. Beer on the tables and serving pork!" We actually had fizzy apple juice and ham and mac and cheese, but it did look pretty funny coming from their ex-SDA mascot! It's really incredible how God has been changing me by fixing my mind on praying for unity and spirit control at these potlucks rather than food fixations. I still don't eat meat myself as I can't hardly stomach it, but my husband and two sons eat it fine, and feel better, I might add. My daughter won't touch it either. Oh well, maybe sometime.
Great to hear your insights everyone!
Lisa
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