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Lori
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Username: Lori
Post Number: 15
Registered: 11-1999
| | Posted on Thursday, September 15, 2005 - 10:15 am: |     |
Thank you all for your responses.
Lydell, you stated my fear, "Really, you should be just as concerned about what the family may be inviting into their home, innocently or not, that has opened the door for this stuff to be manifesting."
Melissa, stated another thought, "I'd hate to seem as though I was rejecting the family"
It is my personality to be very upfront. I won't just not ever let my child go back to their home. When he is invited again, I will be very honest, I will tell her I am extremely uncomfortable about the "ghosts" and that I do not want my child exposed to that again.
I knew something was wrong that evening. I have never thought about a child so much while they were away. About 8:30 that evening, I was so concerned about him that I nearly called to see if he wanted to come home. But then I cast it aside as just being concerned because he had not spent the night there before and I knew he had called me to come home from other places when he decided he just didn't want to stay.
After he told me all the happenings, I asked him what time did you see the first ghost. He replied, "about 8:30".
I also talked to my child about the family. I have talked to the parents numerous times, about Christianity, Religion, etc....I don't guess they ever came out and said, "I am a Christian" but I was under the impression they were believers in Christ. I asked him if he and his friend had ever talked about Jesus. (My child has spoken to children on the playground-children of parents we know are atheist-and he has told them the Good News right there.) He immediately knew what I was thinking when I asked him if they were believers. He didn't answer my question, he gave me this I know where you are going look and said, "I AM!"
The next day, my Adventist parents called and ,my mother talked to my son. He held his hand over the receiver at one point and asked me, "Can I tell her about the ghost?" I told him, "No."
They already think I'm going to hell and my kids are going with me. I can only imagine what they'd say if they found out my 10 year old had seen ghosts.
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Melissa
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Username: Melissa
Post Number: 1073
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, September 15, 2005 - 10:25 am: | |
Speaking of NDE, did any of you hear of that little boy with muscular dystrophy named Mattie (or Maddie) Step...something? (NO disrespect, I just don't remember his last name). His mother has MD, and 4 of her children had MD, all of them died. Mattie was the last one and had been the co-host or something like that of the MDA telethon. He'd been on Oprah apparently, and wrote poetry?? Anyway, I had never heard of him until he died and I saw a couple of news pieces on him. Then his mother was on Oprah talking about his love for firefighters because of what they meant to MDA. She had also mentioned that Mattie had died at least 2 times and they brought him back. What struck me was she said he was so mad they brought him back because he'd seen the angels and knew death was better. I'd thought I was hearing things. Then over labor day, they aired another interview with his mother where she talked about that again. She said they had talked about death many times and he knew he eventually would die. But because of these experiences the other times he "died", he wasn't afraid when it was the final time to go. They had talked about how she would miss him when it was his time to go, but he would be okay. She said he really was at peace when he died because he knew that God was waiting for him. It made me think of B insisting Lazarus (Mary/Martha's Lazarus) couldn't have gone anywhere when he died because the Bible doesn't record him talking about it when he came back. Well, this little Mattie (13, I think) was talking about it. Can we trust that the stories we hear from NDE (and there are countless of them)? Is it just some fraud being forced on people to make them believe in a life after death? That's what B would say.
But even though I believe in life after death, those stories always throw me because it is just something we can't "see" to relate to. I'm probably over-sensitive to the fraud perception, but I was very convinced by Mattie's mother. He hadn't died once but 2-3 times as I recall, and he had the same experience each time. As a young child, he had no way to read these things elsewhere, and since his mother had already lost 3 other children before Mattie, and was in a wheel chair herself, it seemed highly unlikely to me she was peddling a story. The NDE was really just a small 2-3 minute piece in a long interview about Mattie's life and how he did so much with his physical limitations.
I don't know what to think either. The Bible tells us that when the little girl who had died "came back to life", her "spirit" returned to her. That sounds an awful lot like some of the NDE experiences I've read/heard about. But is it the same? I guess I won't believe it completely until it happens to me! Don't hold the presses or anything, I'm not anticipating on having anything to report any time soon.  |
Sabra
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Username: Sabra
Post Number: 372
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, September 15, 2005 - 11:25 am: | |
You know how when you dream you sort of go from one location to the next in a split second? I think it is sort of like that when you are out of your body. I definately believe our spirits are "alive" I'm just not sure where they are confined to. In Revelation the souls are under the altar,??
Guess it's probably not possible for us to understand since it is another dimension and beyond our comprehension. |
Lydell
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Username: Lydell
Post Number: 716
Registered: 7-2000
| | Posted on Thursday, September 15, 2005 - 11:27 am: | |
Don't know that we can have all the answers. My husband is a heliopter pilot. As part of their training they are taken into a chamber that will simulate what happens at high altitudes...the oxygen is cut down. He reports that part of the experience is that the vision narrows down to a small area of bright light....like seeing down a long narrow tunnel. So you have to know that at the very least many of these experiences have more to do with something physical like that than the person's spirit actually having "gone" somewhere. The curious thing about the experiences you hear about is that virtually everyone talks about going to a "peaceful" or "better" place. The thing is that clearly not all of these people are saved. That point should change things, ya know? |
Melissa
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Username: Melissa
Post Number: 1074
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, September 15, 2005 - 12:10 pm: | |
Oh, I heard a story from a source of an older man who was dying and they couldn't get him to settle down. He was just so aggitated, and when they finally got him to talk, he just kept talking about the flames getting his feet. I suppose that could be preconditioned thinking.... |
Helovesme2
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Post Number: 254
Registered: 8-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, September 15, 2005 - 12:15 pm: | |
I've heard of cases like that too Melissa. I think that they don't get talked about as much because they're, well, scary!
Mary |
Belvalew
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Username: Belvalew
Post Number: 660
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, September 15, 2005 - 4:37 pm: | |
I've never encountered a ghost, nor have I had a near-death-experience, but I have experience an out-of-body event. It only lasted for a few seconds, I think, but in the midst of it there was a sense of timelessness. I was 12, and I believe the experience itself was brought about because I was in an intense state of fear, so intense that my soul, I guess, had to leave my body behind for a short while in order to survive the terror. I'd really rather not tell the whole story behind why it happened, but I do want to tell you that I genuinely know it did happen. It was an experience that was totally contrary to everything that I believed, and I refused to even mention it to anyone else for 30 years or more. I absolutely know that the essense of me, whatever that is, was floating above my body approximately 10-15 feet, and I was calmly watching my body screaming in terror. I remember thinking, "Wow, she really is scared," then I was back inside myself. |
Pheeki
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Username: Pheeki
Post Number: 648
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Friday, September 16, 2005 - 8:04 am: | |
Melissa...Lazaraus didn't have anything to tell because Jesus hadn't died on the cross yet. I believe that He defeated death...reconnected our spirits to God and now we who believe will never die.
Remember He took the first fruits to heaven with him.
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Gregcrom
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Username: Gregcrom
Post Number: 1
Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, September 17, 2005 - 11:03 am: | |
I to believe that the "Ghost" are evil, they are in fact demons |
Helovesme2
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Username: Helovesme2
Post Number: 265
Registered: 8-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, September 17, 2005 - 12:07 pm: | |
Hi Gregcrom, I see this is your first post. Welcome to FAF! How did you find us? What is your story? I look forward to getting to know you!
Mary |
Riverfonz
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Username: Riverfonz
Post Number: 799
Registered: 3-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, September 17, 2005 - 2:57 pm: | |
Welcome Gregcrom!
Stan |
Flyinglady
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Username: Flyinglady
Post Number: 1860
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, September 17, 2005 - 4:31 pm: | |
Welcome to FAF Gregcrom. Please let us know more about yourself, when you are ready to do so.
Diana |
Violet
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Username: Violet
Post Number: 259
Registered: 2-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, September 17, 2005 - 4:39 pm: | |
Pheeki, please expand on your last statement. |
Colleentinker
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Username: Colleentinker
Post Number: 2557
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, September 17, 2005 - 10:53 pm: | |
Welcome, Gregcrom! We're happy to have you with us and look forward to knowing you better!
Colleen |
Dd
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Post Number: 548
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, September 18, 2005 - 1:17 pm: | |
Welcome, Greg C |
Susan_2
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Username: Susan_2
Post Number: 1914
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, September 18, 2005 - 6:03 pm: | |
I went to Monterey Bay Academy for 11th grade. I only went one year and then I went back to my public high school. In all myt years at public school I'ds never been exposed to a oujiuo board or anything else sinister or dealing with the devil and his ways and means. My very first night at MBA I was invited to a pujiuo board party with some of the girls in their room. I promptly turned them down telling them I didn't partisipate with that sort of stuff. Thereafter I was considered out with the in croud and a total nerd. The next year I went back to my public school where I was truly exposed to many Christians, both in students and staff. It's funny. For years I would tell that story to the diehard SDA's and I always get the same reply whick is that satan knows the SDA religion is the truth, the only true religion on the planet. He already has the Sunday-keepers in his snare so he doesn't bother weith them, you know, teh lost "Christian" kids that go to public schools. So, satan has to catch the children in Adventist schools with much grander appeal to get them to follow him than he does the Sunday-keeping kids. What a bunch of malarky. Nonetheless, that is the story I always get from the Adventists. |
Pheeki
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Username: Pheeki
Post Number: 650
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Monday, September 19, 2005 - 8:16 am: | |
Expanding on my last statement.
Psalms 68:8
18 When you ascended on high,
you led captives in your train;
you received gifts from men,
even from the rebelliousó
that you,O LORD God, might dwell there.
Ephesians 4:
8This is why it says:
"When he ascended on high,
he led captives in his train
and gave gifts to men." 9(What does "he ascended" mean except that he also descended to the lower, earthly regions? 10He who descended is the very one who ascended higher than all the heavens, in order to fill the whole universe.)
Matthew 12:
40For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
1 Peter 3:
18For Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive by the Spirit, 19through whom also he went and preached to the spirits in prison 20who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built.
Luke 4:
14Jesus returned to Galilee in the power of the Spirit, and news about him spread through the whole countryside. 15He taught in their synagogues, and everyone praised him.
16He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. And he stood up to read. 17The scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him. Unrolling it, he found the place where it is written:
18"The Spirit of the Lord is on me,
because he has anointed me
to preach good news to the poor.
He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners
and recovery of sight for the blind,
to release the oppressed,
19to proclaim the year of the Lord's favor."
20Then he rolled up the scroll, gave it back to the attendant and sat down. The eyes of everyone in the synagogue were fastened on him, 21and he began by saying to them, "Today this scripture is fulfilled in your hearing."
Jesus didn't go and open the Earthly prisons and let the convicts out...it says he released the prisoners in the belly of the Earth and the bible says after Christ rose, righteous dead were seen walking the streets of Jerusalem. Which is why there is no account of Isreal ever celebrating the Jubilee (50-year Sabbath)... Why? Because Jesus declares Himself the Jubilee...it's what the weekly, monthly, yearly Sabbaths pointed to...the ultimate Sabbath rest, restoration. JESUS! |
Gregcrom
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Username: Gregcrom
Post Number: 4
Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, September 29, 2005 - 6:38 pm: | |
I was a third generation Seventh-day Adventist, I went to a Adventist Church School named Beebe Elementary, and graduated from Adventist Academy called Campion Academy, My wife was also a third generation Adventist. We are now Baptist. I am 53 my wife is 56. We have known each other since I was 2 years old and she was 5. |
Susan_2
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Username: Susan_2
Post Number: 1957
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, September 29, 2005 - 6:45 pm: | |
Dear Greg, It is a pleasure meeting you. I am looking forward to learning more about you and your family. |
Colleentinker
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Username: Colleentinker
Post Number: 2633
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, September 29, 2005 - 6:59 pm: | |
Wow, Greg, you and your wife have such a great history together! What a lot of shared memories.
It's good to know more about you.
Colleen |
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