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Pheeki
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Username: Pheeki
Post Number: 626
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 07, 2005 - 12:30 pm: |     |
I think the people are going today to the red cross and Social Security to get fixed up. We will see what happens with that. The problem is, a couple of them are sleeping on the couch...I think if this is long term (which it looks like it will be) they may need an apartment eventually. I will ask my brother what he thinks they need. Probably grocery money, but I have heard a rumor every refugee will get 2000 dollars...who knows? |
Pheeki
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Username: Pheeki
Post Number: 627
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 07, 2005 - 12:34 pm: | |
And thanks for offering Mrsbrian3. That is really sweet. I will try to send you guys a picture of them if you want. There is Queen, the caretaker, Mr. Mitch, James and Jason. Maybe you can email me and we can talk. pheeki2@aol.com |
Dd
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Username: Dd
Post Number: 538
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 07, 2005 - 2:29 pm: | |
Pheeki,
I just sent you an email. Let me know if you don't receive it. |
Flyinglady
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Username: Flyinglady
Post Number: 1846
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 07, 2005 - 9:20 pm: | |
Pheeki,
I just sent you an email also. Let me know if you do not receive it.
What a wonderful, God filled true story.
Diana |
Mrsbrian3
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Username: Mrsbrian3
Post Number: 10
Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, September 08, 2005 - 8:06 am: | |
Last night at church a lady mentioned that FEMA was giving $2000 per month to those wiped out by the hurricane and flooding, so that rumor is probably true. She said she works with a bank that is helping with the funding and providing housing grants and loans. |
Pheeki
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Username: Pheeki
Post Number: 631
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, September 08, 2005 - 8:20 am: | |
I found out the 2000.00$ is only for families. These people are all single. My brother is a saint! |
Lydell
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Username: Lydell
Post Number: 712
Registered: 7-2000
| | Posted on Friday, September 09, 2005 - 8:18 am: | |
Pheeki, try the Salvation Army too. They are lots of help to folks as well. |
Kae
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Username: Kae
Post Number: 2
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, September 10, 2005 - 1:26 pm: | |
I have spent some time the past 3 days at our local Salvation Army Hurricane Relief Center (Atlanta, GA area). I have been able to experience first-hand what a wonderful job they do of caring for people.
I believe they're estimating that metro-Atlanta will become home - either short-term or long-term - to over 20,000 who have left the Katrina disaster area. And thousands of them have come through the Salvation Army center in the past few weeks.
Families who come in are treated to a nice lunch and there are boxes of toys where the children can select items to take with them. Their smiles are great, especially when you tell them they can choose something else!
After meeting with a counselor, families and individuals are provided with specific items they may need (school supplies, diapers, etc.). They are then given boxes of food, vouchers for WalMart and vouchers for the local Salvation Army Thrift stores.
I decided this time I wanted to do more than donate money and stuff. I wanted to help personally. I'm so glad I did!
Do continue to pray for the people who have been displaced - and for those at places like the Salvation Army who minister to them. |
Melissa
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Username: Melissa
Post Number: 1053
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, September 10, 2005 - 8:45 pm: | |
Kae, thanks for that encouraging story. I know many are still suffering, so it's nice to hear there is relief for some. |
Heretic
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Username: Heretic
Post Number: 187
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 21, 2005 - 11:01 pm: | |
I was just looking through some of the posts over at R/S and found the thread about Hurricane Katrina. It seems that Colporteur is thinking about moving to South America to escape the "time of trouble". One of the follow-up posts was from a person named George which I found sad:
quote:In the event that anyone believes they can purchase a "time of trouble cabin" in which to ride out the events of Earth's last days, I have some disappointing news for you. There will be nowhere to hide in Earth's last days, because those who refuse to compromise will stick out like sore thumbs wherever they go. Furthermore, property sales are matters of public record. Friends, family, co-workers and neighbors who did not accept the 3 angels' messages will remember who you are and what you stand for, and they'll know where to find you when they betray you to the authorities. The property deed will tell them where to look. The Lord may decide to hide some of us as he hid Elijah from Ahab, but many of us are more likely to have the experience of Jeremiah, who was put in prison. And if you think you will find refuge in a foreign land, you may find that other countries will be even more repressive than America, especially those that are predominantly Catholic. Just something to think about.
How awful it must be to go through life looking at every non-SDA relative as your potential murderer.
Heretic |
Colleentinker
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Username: Colleentinker
Post Number: 2589
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 21, 2005 - 11:09 pm: | |
It's just depressing to contemplate! As Richard has pointed out, the idea that we ever thought we could hide in the hills is just silly with the advent of GPS, satellite photos, etc.
A few years ago I would have been consumed with anxiety with the increasing number of naturall disasters, etc. I'm so thankful I know I'm safe in Jesus!
Colleen |
Heretic
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Username: Heretic
Post Number: 188
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, September 22, 2005 - 4:44 am: | |
If the goal is to avoid Catholic and "Sunday-keeper" persecution, maybe they should look at Saudi Arabia or Iran as a safe refuge!
Heretic |
Seekr777
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Username: Seekr777
Post Number: 286
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, September 22, 2005 - 9:38 am: | |
Heretic, just wondering, do Mosques have dungeons where I might be chained to the walls like I understand the "cathedrals" have? 
PLEASE my tongue is planted firmly in cheek ! ! !
Richard
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Susan_2
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Username: Susan_2
Post Number: 1931
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, September 22, 2005 - 1:41 pm: | |
Heretic, In my experience the SDA's I know have came right out and said the Moslems and the Islam followers are more right with God than are most professing Christians. I knoqw and deeply love SDA's who honestly believe all pork eaters will be denied eternal life and will be consumed in the lake of fire to permant annialation for no other reason that they eat pork. Apparently eating the meat of the pig cancels out grace and plays a larger roll in the final judgement that professing faith and allegiance to Jesus. This was explained to be that it says in the Bible that pork is an abomination and to God an abomination never ceases to be an abomination. I have actually been told by SDA kin that Moslems and Hindus and assorted other non-pork eaters are more right with God than professing Christians who eat pork. And, as far as SDA's believing that it is the non-SDA Christians who will be heaping the persucations on them in the last days, yes, that truly is what the SDA church teaqches and believes. It frustrates the heck out of me that so many Adventists don't even know what their own church teacheas. It happens so often when I converse with Adventists. So many don't even know the organization the give their allegiance to even teaches such corny stuff. As Stan on here says he does, I do too. I use SDA literature and SDA references when telling SDA's what their church teaches. That's the only way I have figured out how to talk with those folks, to use their own publications to show them what the SDA organization teaches. Ande, even at that the usual response is, "Well, no organization is perfect. But, the Adventist church is still the most right of any church so I'll stick with them." I have actually had SDA's tell me they would be more happy in a different church but they know they need to go to the right church. It is so frustrating and it is sad. |
Jeremy
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Username: Jeremy
Post Number: 975
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, September 22, 2005 - 4:46 pm: | |
I wonder what the SDAs think of people who believe that eating pork is fine but don't eat it anyway?? Is that just as bad as eating it?
Jeremy |
Helovesme2
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Username: Helovesme2
Post Number: 284
Registered: 8-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, September 22, 2005 - 5:00 pm: | |
In my experience, maybe they all don't but I know at least some who would! I know that my attending church on Saturday with the family did NOT count when I didn't believe that Sabbath was still a requirement.
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Pheeki
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Username: Pheeki
Post Number: 653
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Monday, September 26, 2005 - 8:40 am: | |
My sister-in-law attends church with me (Southern Baptist) but my SDA brother won't go with her. He feels allegience to the pastor of the SDA church. The thing is...he expressed to the pastor that he didn't feel Ellen White was a prophet and he didn't believe in her...the pastor said, "Don't worry about it, you can still be a member." So he rejoined (after years of not being in church). Now this same pastor is the Faith for Today guy and they tape every Saturday...Ellen quotes are flying out of his mouth left and right, whereas before they weren't.
You would think this would bother my brother!!! We are praying for him...for deliverance from the spirit of Adventism. He feels he cannot worship with anyone else, especially on Sunday. My s-i-l tried to compromise with him and she said she would find a Sat. evening service (not SDA, she recognized something was wrong there right away and refuses to go anymore) somewhere, he said it wouldn't count.
He too has been brainwashed. I told her to tell him to go back and re-read the commandment...it says simply to rest! No where does it say to congregate and worship...we are free to worship 24x7!
Lord help us! |
Melissa
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Username: Melissa
Post Number: 1082
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Monday, September 26, 2005 - 9:45 am: | |
Yes, Pheeki, that is what the commandment says, but when asked, B's response was that the explanation to congregate was in Lev 23. When I mention he calls that one of the feast days, he says he wasn't talking about the sabbath as a feast day, that's why he had to say it just after the command to worship on the sabbath. I said read verse 2, but he still insists the sabbath is not a feast day. To me, that's why the SDA church is the higher authority than scripture, at least to some. Because what they say goes, regardless of what the scripture says in plain words. |
Seekr777
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Username: Seekr777
Post Number: 295
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Monday, September 26, 2005 - 9:49 am: | |
Not worshiping on Sunday is the dumbest thing I've ever heard of ! ! !
I can't understand that type of thinking ! ! !
Richard
rtruitt@mac.com
PS: sorry for blurting that out but I guess I'm not really sorry.
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Colleentinker
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Username: Colleentinker
Post Number: 2608
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Monday, September 26, 2005 - 10:25 am: | |
Melissa, you're right. The arguments don't end with the fourth commandment.
Pheeki, I believe you're addressing the real issue in your prayer for him. Ultimately, the day isn't the problem. It's the spiritual power that elevates the day that is the source of bondage.
As our pastor said in a sermon a couple of years ago, the "veil" that covers the heart whenever Moses is read (2 Corinthians 3) is a spiritual power. The real problem, of course, is not going to church on Saturday. It's that the finished work of Jesus is obscured by that veil, and Sabbath holds a place of significance in an Adventist's salvation until the Holy Spirit brings them face-to-face with the truth in Scripture.
Ultimately, a person must be willing to surrender the veil, but the Holy Spirit's job is to convict.
Colleen |
Jeremy
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Post Number: 981
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Monday, September 26, 2005 - 9:15 pm: | |
But how can they say that the Ten Words are the "moral law" and the rest of the Law (the "ceremonial law"), which should include Leviticus, is done away with and yet go to Leviticus 23 to back up their claims?? But actually, Leviticus 23 did not command that the Jews congregate or have corporate worship.
The Ariel Ministries Manuscript Study on the Sabbath points this out:
quote:The penalty for profaning the Sabbath was death, and to profane the Sabbath was to consider it like any other day. Therefore, on the Sabbath, they were to do no labor, and they were to stay home and rest. Nothing was said about corporate worship.
If it is insisted that Jewish believers keep the Sabbath on the basis of the Law of Moses, then consistency demands that they keep all of the facets which the Law of Moses required. However, many of those who insist on Sabbath keeping will not insist that it be kept in the very way that the Mosaic law demanded. So they may very well carry burdens and kindle fire. The emphasis generally is on keeping the Sabbath as a day of worship, which was not the point of the Mosaic Law to begin with. It is inconsistent to base Sabbath keeping on the Law of Moses, and then fail to keep it in the manner prescribed by the Law of Moses. Jewish believers who insist on making Sabbath keeping mandatory are forced to make many adjustments in their practice, and often such adjustments actually violate the Law of Moses rather than keep it. In reality, they no more keep the Sabbath as prescribed by Moses than those Jewish believers who do not feel they are obligated to keep the Sabbath.
The specific area in which they claim the Sabbath law still applies is largely in the area of corporate worship. This is the issue with the UMJC requirement for a congregation to be a member. But that was not the purpose of the Sabbath in the Law of Moses. In the Law of Moses, the Sabbath was a day of rest and cessation, and not a day of corporate worship. The Sabbath synagogue services found in the New Covenant originated with the Babylonian captivity and not with the Law of Moses. Under the Law, the Sabbath was a day of rest. While it was not a day of total inactivity, it was to be a day of rest and refreshment from the regular work of the other six days. While the rest itself may have been an act of worship, corporate worship on the Sabbath was not a factor in the Old Testament. The one passage used to try to substantiate corporate worship on the Sabbath is Leviticus 23:3, which refers to the Sabbath as a "holy convocation.î The same terminology, however, is applied to the Passover and other festivals (Leviticus 23:4), which had to do with family gatherings rather than corporate acts of worship. As Dr. Louis Goldberg of Moody Bible Institute states:
On the Sabbath there was to be complete rest (physical) and holy convocation (spiritual refreshing) before the Lord (Leviticus: A Study Guide, page 116).
Even Leviticus 23:3 states concerning the Sabbath, "...it is a Sabbath unto Jehovah in all your dwellings." Again, the emphasis has to do with staying at home and resting as a family, rather than getting together in corporate worship. As Dr. Goldberg also points out, the rest "was to include spiritual renewal" (page 117).
In reality, the Mosaic Law mandated corporate worship only on three occasions, where they were to migrate to wherever the Tabernacle and later the Temple stood (Shiloh, Jerusalem). Corporate worship by non-Levites was mandated only three times a year (Passover, Weeks, Tabernacles), but not on a weekly Sabbath. This would have been physically impossible in light of the time it took to journey during biblical times.
If Sabbath keeping is mandatory for Jewish believers on the basis of the Ten Commandments, then it is only mandatory as a day of rest, and not as a time to hold congregational worship services.
Jeremy |
Colleentinker
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Post Number: 2611
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Monday, September 26, 2005 - 10:20 pm: | |
Jeremy, very good points. The picking and choosing of which parts of the law to keep are confusing and arbitrary. I guess Ellen really didn't know the Torah too well!
Colleen |
Riverfonz
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Username: Riverfonz
Post Number: 844
Registered: 3-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 28, 2005 - 11:10 am: | |
Since this thread started out as the hurricane thread, I thought some follow-up hurricane news might be interesting. Well, the liberal mainstream media has done it again. They gave the people of New Orleans a really bad rap. Remember all those stories of rape and murder in the superdome or the convention center? Well, it was all hype and based on rumor. No journalistic integrity involved here. There might have been four people killed at most around that whole area, and even those bodies were probably brought to the area.
Stan |
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