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Buzz
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Username: Buzz
Post Number: 11
Registered: 3-2005
| | Posted on Friday, June 17, 2005 - 6:46 pm: |     |
We pitched ours in the two wheel "file" for transport to the local dump like Dennis. Felt good like another rope was cut.
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Dt
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Username: Dt
Post Number: 49
Registered: 4-2005
| | Posted on Friday, June 17, 2005 - 9:37 pm: | |
I feel like burning them to make room for more books (I'm a book hoarder) but the truth is that I use them now more than I ever did as a True Blue SDA. When relatives or friends come over and we get into discussions about EGW, using her own words in print form is more powerful than any internet printout can ever be.
I just love to use EGW's own words to contradict Scripture. It can be a very powerful moment. You can just see the Holy Spirit doing battle for the truth (the real truth). I probably overdid it when I first started finding out the rest of the story about EGW because they really avoid any talk about EGW now.
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Patriar
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Username: Patriar
Post Number: 45
Registered: 3-2005
| | Posted on Friday, June 17, 2005 - 10:46 pm: | |
Dt:
You did not overdo it. Truth has a way of cutting to the chase. We wrote a 60+ page 'manifesto' when we found out about EGW and my family avoids the subject at ALL cost.  Oh well.
patriar |
Lindylou
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Username: Lindylou
Post Number: 63
Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, June 18, 2005 - 4:12 pm: | |
Nancy, Whether or not your burn them, or trash them or keep them depends on if you have family or relatives who you will get into discussions with about EGW subjects. EGW said things in those books that even SDA's don't believe she said and it can be handy to have them to refer to if this happens. Not that it will help!
Some of the older books in particular can be handy because recent printings have eliminated some of the troublesome quotes.
I thought of throwing them away - and thought that I did. But I recently found several boxes of the books and was glad to have them for reference. They have been useful in helping my children see the error of the SDA beliefs. My girls wanted to "see" for themselves what I was talking about - because their friends have said, "EGW never said that!"
I have mine stored on a shelf in the garage, hidden from view. I know that early on in my "outing" in moments of doubt - I would open one book in particular and read about how ellen was in the presence of a frowning Jesus - and that would be enough to dispel all doubt from my mind about the path I was taking.
So for what it's worth. I'd think the matter through before trashing them.
lindylou |
Riverfonz
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Username: Riverfonz
Post Number: 431
Registered: 3-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, June 18, 2005 - 8:44 pm: | |
Lindylou,
Those are excellent points. I kept mine. I think some people feel led to make a total symbolic break by destroying them.
Stan |
Dennis
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Username: Dennis
Post Number: 418
Registered: 4-2000
| | Posted on Sunday, June 19, 2005 - 12:36 pm: | |
Lindylou,
The problem with Ellen White is that she was all over the road theologically. Generally, Adventists can easily counter your showing them quotes from her that are clearly unbiblical with yet another quote that seems more orthodox or less frightening. If a zealous, persistent Adventist challenges you to provide an exact reference where EGW made some outlandish and/or unbiblical statement, simply say "If I furnish the precise reference for you, will this mean that you will give her up?" If their answer is "NO" you are wasting your time.
Dennis Fischer |
Lindylou
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Username: Lindylou
Post Number: 69
Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, June 19, 2005 - 8:49 pm: | |
Good point Dennis. I think that I have found the books most useful for folks who WANT to know the truth - especially my own children. I was astonished at my 14 year olds insight and conclusions when she read of few quotes from "Counsels on Diet and Health". I think her exact words were: "That's one CRAZY lady!" |
Pw
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Username: Pw
Post Number: 463
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 21, 2005 - 6:51 am: | |
I only had a few books, but I just gave them back to the couple that gave them to me when I first joined the SDA. I really should have trashed them. |
Susan_2
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Username: Susan_2
Post Number: 1857
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 21, 2005 - 2:24 pm: | |
I took mine back to the ABC and told the lady behind the cash registure I read them and didn't like them and I wanted my money back. When she realized I wasn't going to give in and keep them and I had pointed out the sigh that said full refund with receipt I got my money back. If I couldn't have gotten my money back I would have shreaded them and thrown them in the trash. |
Patriar
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Username: Patriar
Post Number: 53
Registered: 3-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 22, 2005 - 12:08 am: | |
Hi all:
I just trashed Arther Maxwell's children's books that have been in the family since the dawn of time. Boy it feels good!
Patria |
Jeremy
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Username: Jeremy
Post Number: 776
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 22, 2005 - 12:00 pm: | |
I looked at the Uncle Arthur's Bedtime Stories book recently, and found statements that sounded anti-trinitarian and implied that Jesus is not God. (Of course, at the time the book was written in the first half of the twentieth century, the Trinity was not part of official SDA doctrine at all.) According to Maxwell, there is God and there is Jesus, who is described as "the Son of the great God." I was even exposed to this type of teaching when I was a child and I thought that Jesus was not God when I was little. I thought that "God" and "Jesus" were two separate "beings."
Jeremy |
Melissa
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Username: Melissa
Post Number: 932
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 22, 2005 - 2:25 pm: | |
Lydell, you made a great point about church libraries. In my Christian church library, I found Great Controversy and 2 copies of DOA. I told the librarian who wrote them, and she discarded them. I actually kept one of the DOA, and wish I had kept the GC because, as Dane mentioned, you can really see how she has been edited if you have older versions. (If you have really older versions, I once read of a man ...somewhere... who collected them to prove what EGW really said before all the editing began....but I don't remember who/where I read it.) I've, also, realized that the die-hard SDA is not influenced no matter what "proof" you have of EGW's "pure" writings.
We received SDA books at my son's baby shower by his father's SDA church, and it was difficult to throw away brand new "gifts", but that's what I did. I tried burying them in the house so I could "forget" them, but everytime someone got close to them, I kindof got a scared feeling in the pit of my stomach and realized the only way I would feel safe would be to have them out of the house altogether. I look at the publisher of every book his dad brings into the house. It's a strange ritual..... |
Jeremy
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Username: Jeremy
Post Number: 777
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 22, 2005 - 3:00 pm: | |
EGW herself was involved in/approved of the editing for the latest edition of The Great Controversy. In fact, she said that she wanted to change it so that people would think the Lord had guided her in writing it!
quote:"When I learned that Great Controversy must be reset, I determined that we would have everything closely examined, to see if the truths it contained were stated in the very best manner, to convince those not of our faith that the Lord had guided and sustained me in the writing of its pages." (Selected Messages, Book 3, page 123, paragraph 5.)
If that is not an absolute (and deliberate!) fraud and deception, then I don't know what is!!!
Jeremy
(Message edited by jeremy on June 22, 2005) |
Colleentinker
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Username: Colleentinker
Post Number: 2160
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 22, 2005 - 3:03 pm: | |
Wow, another telling quote, Jeremy. Thanks.
Patria, congratulations! I completely resonate with your feeling of liberation!
I understand your feelings about the SDA books, Melissa. I'm proud of you for handling that situation as you are and protecting your children from them--I suspect, though, you feel quite pulled apart examining everything B brings. I'm so sorry. Praise God that He will redeem all of this!
Colleen |
Alnadean
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Username: Alnadean
Post Number: 4
Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 23, 2005 - 9:12 pm: | |
Hi all,
I recently told my sister my views on not being adventist anymore (after taking a deep breath)- fortunately she's one of the more liberal ones and to my surprise she has been having doubts for a long time.
She trusts me so much- though I certainly do not have all the answers, but if have renounced my faith the same day I read about it she was willing to believe me and she confessed that she had often questioned God's love if everything had to be so difficult. This info is for the people who read my post before.
I am yet to tell you how it happened, but at the end of the day I definitely called E.W a false prophet and I gathered all of her books and was surprised to see my collection rapidly go flat. I put them all in a bag and was about to toss them, when I realized I could not.
I needed the evidence. I needed to see this woman lie and contradict the Bible. I needed her like I never needed her before.
The book Early Writings had one quote that blew my mind- that made me say to myself several times (almost whispering) she is a false prophet.
So I would say definitely keep them out of view, but if you can, hang on to them to lead others to the truth.
I also had quite a few tracts that I had purchased. I had never handed out any of them because I was always uncomfortable about doing so. Even though I 'knew' adventism to be right. I felt uncomfortable telling others 'Jesus loves you and all you need to do is believe--- and by the way here are a list of things you must do before you can actually come into our saving church. So I kept them for years- it was only 2 weeks ago that it dawned on me why- anyway on that fateful day I grabbed them all and hurled them in the garbage.
On another note I have to apologize to the people who responded to my post before to which I have not responded.
Unfortunately I could not post the same day.
I then tried to find the first article that caught my attention and could not find it.
Then I decided to post anyway - I could not find the thread (that's because I did not post relevant to the thread- sorry)
Then I found it and I started to write it today, and in the middle of it I somehow lost my connection and all my work just disappeared- Its either something is at work here; or else I have become like adventists- finding an excuse for everything.
Again I am sorry |
Colleentinker
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Username: Colleentinker
Post Number: 2451
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 23, 2005 - 11:06 pm: | |
Al-nadean, thank you for sharing some of your story. It's amazing, isn't it, what happens internally when one finally embraces the fact that Ellen is not just "nothing" but a False Prophet!
We're glad to see you back. God will continue to confirm truth to you. He is worth all the jarring losses we experience.
In Him,
Colleen |
Thomas1
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Username: Thomas1
Post Number: 181
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 - 1:13 pm: | |
Regarding the origional question of this thread' I have found that although they will poison the mind, they have no affect on the marshmellows or weenies when used for roasting purposes.
In humor and
In His Grip
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Thomas |
Colleentinker
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Username: Colleentinker
Post Number: 2458
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 - 4:51 pm: | |
Yes, Thomas! It's just so great to read your humor again! It's always a blessing when you "show up" here.
How are you doing as you recuperate from your long ordeal?
You remain in my prayers.
Colleen |
Thomas1
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Username: Thomas1
Post Number: 182
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 6:46 am: | |
Thanks for asking. We are in our second "shrinker sock", and the tech tells me there will probably be no more, or only one more. That would put is in a position to begin fitting leg sockets sometime in September or October. We WILL walk again!
One blessing I've found from this. When you are in this shape and still smile and laugh, then give Jesus the credit, folks really do HAVE to take notice. As I've said before, when you are doing well, you don't need faith or trust. It's only when you are on the bottom and still falling that trust and faith means something. To you, and more, to those around you!
Thanks for the prayers.
In His mighty grip!
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Thomas |
Colleentinker
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Username: Colleentinker
Post Number: 2466
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 4:03 pm: | |
Thanks for the hopeful update, Thomas! I am inspired by your faith and trust.
Colleen |
Flyinglady
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Username: Flyinglady
Post Number: 1816
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 6:56 pm: | |
Thomas,
I could use a patient like you where I work. It would help all my patients.
I am so Glad God is caring for you is His inimitable way.
Diana |
