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Susan_2
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Username: Susan_2
Post Number: 1783
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Friday, April 29, 2005 - 7:21 pm: |     |
Colleen, Did I catch you correctly? If you give at least $100.00 you can get a special prayer with your name on it? Isn't that kind-of like indulgences, only the indulgences that get Martin Luther a tad bit teed off were for their dead loved ones to get out of pergatory. I guess these special $100.00 prayers are to hussle up or prolong ones probation? Did I get that understood correctly? That sure is tacky. |
Susan_2
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Username: Susan_2
Post Number: 1784
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Friday, April 29, 2005 - 7:37 pm: | |
I do not have an attention span for movies. Therefore, I have never heard of any of the movies you all are mentioning. Are they any good? Are they funny? I have seen several movies that somewhat held my interest. My most favorite movie ever is Amazon Women on the Moon. I like everything with Bill Murry. I can't watch movies with a lot of special effects. I can't follow the story if there's a lot of movement and flashing volors and all that sort of stuff. I like Pink Flloyd music though. And, Jimi Hendrix and Janis Joplin and oh, with music I'm very easy to please. In fact, I still have my membership in the Grateful Dead fan club. But, really, are those good movies? If they are I'll get over to the video rental store and rent them. Please, let me know. |
Ric_b
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Username: Ric_b
Post Number: 245
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Friday, April 29, 2005 - 8:08 pm: | |
Even as someone who "grew up" on Pink Floyd and even still has a couple of Pink Floyd CDs I must still confess that The Wall is one of the most depressing and disturbing movies I have ever seen. I like dark movies every now and then, but The Wall isn't a movie I have chosen to watch on DVD if that tells you anything. |
Susan_2
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Username: Susan_2
Post Number: 1786
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Friday, April 29, 2005 - 11:14 pm: | |
What is The Wall about? I never heard of it until now. BTW, My favorite ever tv program is Mr. Ed. My favorite current tv program is South Park. Neither of those programs have special effects. I can't do special effects. Flashing lights and lots of swirling colors with background noise actually causes my mind to feel like I'm getting dizzy and without even wanting to cry my eyes will flow with tears until I get away from the visual effects that action packed movies have. I think I just nurologically can't watch action movies or even fast action video games. Hey, I know some of you are doctors, Riverfonz? What's the diagnosis? BTW, I do have Tourettes Syndrome and ADHD and have occassionally had bouts of OCD. Could there be a correlation? |
Carol_2
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Username: Carol_2
Post Number: 309
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, April 30, 2005 - 5:30 am: | |
Hi all! Susan, do NOT rent "The Wall." I am a huge Pink Floyd music fan, but "The Wall" is very disturbing, and does have a lot of weird effects. It's based on the album....in brief summary a boy whose father goes off to war, is killed, and he lives with his over-protective mother. He's all screwed up, heavily into drugs, and living his life trying to escape his pain. It's not much of a story really, just all the music from the album. I guess you could say it's kind of "deep," but you'd probably need to be high to appreciate its "depth." Don't know if I'm making sense...it's hard to describe. But it's not stuff you want to put into your brain Susan.
Love you all! Carol |
Ric_b
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Post Number: 246
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, April 30, 2005 - 5:52 am: | |
Kinda my conclusion Carol. Thanks for stating it so clearly. |
Susan_2
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Username: Susan_2
Post Number: 1787
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, April 30, 2005 - 8:25 am: | |
I got the Martin Luther movie for my birthday. Even that movie has too much action in occassional scenes for me not to get dizzy from. I honestly don't seem to be nurologically wired for movies, these new video games and other highly visual stimulating gadgets. Pac Man, Tetrus, etc. I can handle. I need lowkey visual encounters. Even going to amlls when they have all that Christmas lights on makes my head get confused. Ithink since I have Tourettes there must be some sort of correlation. I can sit and watch the ocean for houra or walk on the beach, etc. Those activities I can do very well. |
Flyinglady
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Username: Flyinglady
Post Number: 1433
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, April 30, 2005 - 6:49 pm: | |
I have no idea who Pink Floyd or the Grateful Dead are. If those were in the 60's, 70's, 80's, I was either a good SDA or a psuedo SDA and did not listen to them. But could I dance. I do not know the music I danced to, but give me good music and I am up and moving.
Diana |
Colleentinker
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Username: Colleentinker
Post Number: 1870
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, April 30, 2005 - 10:10 pm: | |
Susan, the $100 gift will get you a PAVER (not a prayer!) with your name on it. The pavers are smallish tiles they will use to pave a special centennial walkway leading to a new, modern sculpture of a globe.
Colleen |
Loneviking
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Username: Loneviking
Post Number: 338
Registered: 7-2000
| | Posted on Saturday, April 30, 2005 - 11:23 pm: | |
Gee, wouldn't 'Comfortably Numb' apply to most SDA's?
Cry 'Havoc'! And let slip the 'Dogs of War'!
(Die hard Pink Floyd fans know what I mean..) |
Susan_2
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Username: Susan_2
Post Number: 1788
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, May 01, 2005 - 11:48 am: | |
Oh, Colleen, I read "prayer" and I was having thoughts of the reformation happening all over again, only this time within Adventism. Do they use these tiles as prayer tiles? |
Weimarred
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Username: Weimarred
Post Number: 42
Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Monday, May 02, 2005 - 12:06 am: | |
Hello to all!
I haven't posted in while, but I try to read up from time to time.
I liked your analogy, FreeAtLast.
Since this thread includes some music, I thought I might share this. Recently, I listened to an old Howard Jones jam (music that was more from my day), and it struck me at how SDA like that theme of the song was. So here is my outtake on "Noone is to Blame".
You can look at the menu but you just canít eat (any meat)
You can feel the cushions but you canít have a seat (because itís time to pray yet again)
You can dip your foot in the pool but you canít have a swim (swimsuits=lust)
You can feel the punishment but you canít commit the sin (ok, this applies to everything)
You can build a mansion but you just canít live in it (itís up in heaven)
Youíre the fastest runner but youíre not allowed to win (that would be prideful)
Some break the rules (FAs)
And live to count the cost (recovery)
The insecurity is the thing that wonít get lost (it takes a looooong time)
You can see the summit but you canít reach it (perfection)
Itís the last piece of the puzzle but you just canít make it fit (that doctrinal absurdity)
Doctor says youíre cured but you still feel the pain (I avoid stimulation, but I still get sick!)
Aspirations in the clouds but your hopes go down the drain (talk about a great disappointment!)
And you want her (EGW) and she wants you (to feel guilty all the time)
We want everyone (to get baptized SDA so Jesus will come)
And you want her and she wants you (ok, maybe not anymore!)
No one, no one, no one ever is to blame
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Belvalew
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Username: Belvalew
Post Number: 380
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Monday, May 02, 2005 - 9:58 am: | |
Dear Weimarred,
Thank you for a morning brightener. I love those types of analogies when they truly fit. God bless you, and I hope you have a great week.
Belva |
Colleentinker
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Username: Colleentinker
Post Number: 1873
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Monday, May 02, 2005 - 10:34 am: | |
The line "no one is ever to blame" struck me.
I have a cousin (the son of my SDA minister-uncle) who has long since left Adventism behind but, unfortunately, has become involved in the mystical Unity church. He carries a lot of resentment over the unrealistic work load and schedules his dad was required to keep when my cousins were growing up. (His dad served a rural area and often had 3 or 4 churches spaced many miles apart. Sabbaths were nightmares of driving, potlucks, different churches each week, long days away from home, etc.)
Another thing my cousin has particularly mentioned as a wrong he witnessed repeatedly was that, because the church taught against lawsuits, people representing the church (or even the conferences) were able to "get away with" various types of unfair and even illegal treatment of members and/or employees. These transgressions could be suppressed and ignored because the members were taught that pursuing legal recourse would be sinóor at least would stigmatize people's reputations.
Praise God that He is a just and also merciful God, and we can safely trust Him to carry the burden of the wrongs we have endured as well as to cleanse us from the wrongs we have committed.
Colleen
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Pw
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Username: Pw
Post Number: 411
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Monday, May 02, 2005 - 11:01 am: | |
FYI: The movie The Wall by Pink Floyd is about their original member Sid Barrett, who went insane. He lost his mind and ended up in a asylum.
I guess us former-SDA's can relate to that experience on a smaller scale. :-) |
Heretic
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Username: Heretic
Post Number: 70
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Monday, May 02, 2005 - 2:55 pm: | |
Weimarred,
I must have sung along to that song 20 times or probably more and I had never thought of it that way, but darned if you aren't right! Great song. Great post. Thanks.
Heretic |
Flyinglady
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Username: Flyinglady
Post Number: 1440
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Monday, May 02, 2005 - 7:24 pm: | |
Weimmarred,
Thanks for the words of the song and your take on it. I sat here and laughed. Everything is so true.
So I praise God, I no longer have to live like that. All I need is Jesus and He is awesome.
Diana |
Somethinfishy
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Username: Somethinfishy
Post Number: 7
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Monday, May 02, 2005 - 8:25 pm: | |
Regarding unrealistic work hours, I have a relative, about my age, who is an SDA pastor. In the last church he worked in, the head pastor informed him that he had never seen a successful pastor that worked less than 65 hours a week.
When I worked for the church, I was repeatedly told that all the extra time I was putting in was part of my "mission," and that I received a lower salary than teachers in a non-sda system because school hours were shorter on Fridays. Question: How many conference employees make low salaries because they don't work Fridays? I have yet to really find the answer to that question, but I would doubt that they would be seriously unequal to any other worker of their education and experience. |
Pheeki
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Username: Pheeki
Post Number: 548
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 03, 2005 - 9:26 am: | |
And they also require mandatory tithing. My niece tried to get them to not take her tithe out because she wanted the option to pay it herself and they refused. So you make even less than the "worldly" teachers. |
Pw
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Username: Pw
Post Number: 413
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 03, 2005 - 10:16 am: | |
The mandatory tithing deducted from a paycheck probably doesn't give the option of writing it off as a tax write-off since it's not recorded. |
Bob
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Username: Bob
Post Number: 230
Registered: 7-2000
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 03, 2005 - 10:51 am: | |
SDA employees get a record of their tithe deducted, so they are able report it on their tax returns. Government rules require that information be made available to employees. |
Melissa
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Username: Melissa
Post Number: 859
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 03, 2005 - 11:31 am: | |
That almost makes the tithe forced union dues, doesn't it? How can that be legal? |
Bob
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Username: Bob
Post Number: 233
Registered: 7-2000
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 03, 2005 - 12:01 pm: | |
Religious organizations that employ people are exempt from some of the legal requirements on public companies. That is how they get away with it. |
Pw
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Username: Pw
Post Number: 417
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 03, 2005 - 1:07 pm: | |
...and do they ever!
No wonder that General Conference is a gold mine. |
Somethinfishy
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Username: Somethinfishy
Post Number: 9
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 03, 2005 - 3:19 pm: | |
The conference I worked for gave the option of having tithe deducted...in fact, I don't remember even seeing any mention of having it deducted. I know I saw it when I was a student worker in College, but it was always an option. Maybe it's different here in the Frozen North.
But I still want to know if other Conference "office" workers, such as Education Superintendents, etc. make less than average since they don't work Fridays. I asked one person once, and the response was that he did a lot of travelling, and work on the weekends...I'm assuming that's a "No?" So how come it was an excuse to pay me less, when they SAY that their education system, and their children, as the "future" of the church, are of utmost importance? |
Bob
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Username: Bob
Post Number: 235
Registered: 7-2000
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 03, 2005 - 3:25 pm: | |
Normally, people on salaries are paid a fixed amount of earnings, and they are expected to work however many hours it takes to get the job done.
Even if the conference does not deduct tithe from one's salary, they compare the salary with that person's tithing contributions, and if the amount of tithe given is not at least 10% of the known salary, the employee may be counseled or even fired for not paying a full tithe. |
Melissa
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Username: Melissa
Post Number: 863
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 04, 2005 - 8:45 am: | |
is that "cheerful" giving? |
Bob
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Username: Bob
Post Number: 237
Registered: 7-2000
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 04, 2005 - 8:51 am: | |
Nope! |
